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| beano Diglot Senior Member United KingdomRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4622 days ago 1049 posts - 2152 votes  Speaks: English*, German Studies: Russian, Serbian, Hungarian | Message 57 of 100 28 March 2014 at 11:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
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A non-native accent isn't a "bad" accent.
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 58 of 100 28 March 2014 at 11:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
Anything that's ineffective is the wrong way, so there I agree. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6597 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 59 of 100 28 March 2014 at 11:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I've written this before your additional questions:
Shadowing is basically like learning to walk again after breaking a leg, and eventually being able to run. Improving further is like starting a new sport after that, with a specific goal in mind like becoming more supple or losing weight. But then there are also people who don't need this sport to be slim/supple. Something like that. (what's it with these sport metaphors... oops) I didn't say I've used any additional techniques to improve further. I stop shadowing when I'm satisfied with my speaking skills. I think it's just like any other method - when your progress slows down, it becomes a less efficient use of your time. If you continue long enough, eventually it will feel pointless. So if you are feeling improvement from shadowing, and native speakers agree with you, it's probably not a bad idea to continue. But when doubt creeps in, don't dismiss it. And if you think you're not doing enough listening, be sure to change that. Shadowing shouldn't be your only time spent with high quality recordings. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4308 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 60 of 100 28 March 2014 at 11:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't undervalue listening time. Personally, over 50% of my learning time is spent
listening and shadowing. I listen silently to start with, when I have to concentrate hard on the new vocab etc of a new chunk of the language, but as I become familiar with the contents, I work with it, shadowing and writing it out, until internalized. Then I start again with a new chunk. It makes sense to me that the more you practice with one piece of audio, the more accurately you will be able to imitate the sounds on that one piece of audio. Not to advocate sticking to one and only one method, though - I do other things too, like looking at grammatical explanations, reading articles, learning song lyrics, drilling conjugations and highlighting morphology and gender. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4828 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 61 of 100 29 March 2014 at 12:17am | IP Logged | |||||
Well, I don't know about it being a common idea, but it certainly seems intuitive that that would be the case. That's assuming the person bothers to listen to those around him or her. So, if it really isn't the case, why is it not the case? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4707 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 62 of 100 29 March 2014 at 12:24am | IP Logged | |||||
Because you need to learn how to actually produce certain sounds. If you can't distinguish the sounds, you can't produce them either. If a Korean doesn't naturally distinguish between l and r, he won't hear foreigners do it. Listening is pointless in this case because you can listen to the recording 100 times, you won't notice the problem. Edited by tarvos on 29 March 2014 at 12:25am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4828 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 63 of 100 29 March 2014 at 12:30am | IP Logged | |||||
I agree. I don't know what his native language is, but about 70-80% of the time, I could close my eyes (to listen better and avoid his distracting hand movements) and think I was listening to another British person. There were a few giveaway moments, but not bad at all. He had a slight jerkiness of speech too, but some people just do anyway. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6582 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 64 of 100 29 March 2014 at 7:54am | IP Logged | |||||
Once you've been speaking for quite a while, your brain has made it into a habit. It's automatic and the brain no longer spends energy trying to figure out how to pronounce that word, you've said it ten thousand times and there's a finished shortcut for it in the brain. When it's time to say the word, your brain just activates the shortcut and out it comes. You're also listening to yourself as you speak, and your own output is probably a stronger model than other people's. And finally, since you're getting by, you're not getting any feedback that forces you to change. That might be some of the explanation, at least. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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