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| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7232 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 9 of 68 08 May 2005 at 5:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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Another way the "missing answers" in Programmatic
Spanish effects the course is that it's a little more difficult to determine if you've mastered the material. The forward mentions if you can handle the Applications section, you can skip the lesson. The answers or translations for the Applications section aren't in the student or instructor manuals though. For instance, here is a sentence for translation: 1) I have to prepare that for him. This is in a practice that has an answer, which is: Tengo que prepararle eso. When I started the review, my first thought was: Tengo que preparar eso para él. My first thought answer seems like something I learnt from Michel Thomas. I'm not sure if both are correct though. If this was in the Application section (there are similar translations there), I might blissfully be unaware of the course's expected translation. With the Basic Course, which is mostly audio practices; if you produce the correct responses and know what you're saying, you can assume you know the material. Edited by luke on 08 May 2005 at 5:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| czech Senior Member United States Joined 7221 days ago 395 posts - 378 votes Studies: English* | Message 10 of 68 19 May 2005 at 8:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Francois, which ones did you use?
In your success story, you say that one can get this program from Barron's. Edited by Malcolm on 19 May 2005 at 9:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| administrator Hexaglot Forum Admin Switzerland FXcuisine.com Joined 7403 days ago 3094 posts - 2987 votes 12 sounds Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 68 19 May 2005 at 8:52am | IP Logged | ||
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I used all four volumes of FSI Spanish sold by Audioforum. I would use them again - they were very good.
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| czech Senior Member United States Joined 7221 days ago 395 posts - 378 votes Studies: English* | Message 12 of 68 19 May 2005 at 10:04am | IP Logged | ||
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I see, I have been wondering about FSI Spanish courses between Platiquemos, Barron's, Programatic, and those old school ones online. This thread has helped.
So I take it you used the Basic, Intermediate, Advanced A, and Advanced B? Are the first 2 the same as Barron's? As for the vocabulary of these courses, could some take a look at this, and evaluate the level and differences between the vocabs. Edited by czech on 19 May 2005 at 11:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| czech Senior Member United States Joined 7221 days ago 395 posts - 378 votes Studies: English* | Message 13 of 68 19 May 2005 at 4:07pm | IP Logged | ||
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Also, I know that the course is aimed at oral fluency. I probably have the vocab of the 2 first levels, and most of the others.
But I don't have a good grammatical understanding of the subjunctive and some other features. At what level is the subjunctive introduced? Does the material from the first levels reocurr enough throughout the advanced levels? Thanks in advance 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7232 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 14 of 68 20 May 2005 at 7:58pm | IP Logged | ||
Basic and Intermediate by audioforum are Programmatic Spanish Vol 1 and 2. There is a little subjunctive in vol1. Vol2 has several units that work on the subjunctive. Advanced A begins working on the subjunctive in Unit 36. The subjunctive is covered through the end of Advanced B (Unit 55). The vocabulary in the link posted above covers a lot of military terms that are not in the audioforum or platiquemos courses, which focus more on diplomat and civilian vocabulary. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| czech Senior Member United States Joined 7221 days ago 395 posts - 378 votes Studies: English* | Message 15 of 68 20 May 2005 at 9:50pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks,
Does the course above have all the terms of Platiquemos and Barron's, plus more? Edited by czech on 20 May 2005 at 9:51pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7232 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 16 of 68 30 May 2005 at 1:43pm | IP Logged | ||
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Another difference between Programmatic Spanish and the
Basic Spanish Courses is that Programmatic Spanish (PS) numbers most oral exercises, whereas Platiquemos or Barrons or FSI Basic doesn't. I imagine the numbering was included in PS so students could ask the teacher "about number 16". Sometimes, as in the case of the comprehension variations, they could be used to look up phrases in the instructors manual. For the self studier, the numbers are more of a nuisance though. They slow the pace of the exercise and put English in the middle of the Spanish. The Basic Course has more consistency in the types of exercises. Most units have tense substitutions, person number substitutions, general substitutions, translations, response, replacement, and variation drills. The benefit of this consistency is when you hear the type of drill, you know what is expected. For instance the basic course could take one phrase and use it in several drills. ¿Es usted alto? Person number substitution response: ¿Son ustedes altos? Response drill response: Sí, soy alto. Tense substitution response: ¿Era usted alto? Programmatic Spanish practices (drills) are more frequently one of a kind exercises. That's not to say they are better at drilling a specific point either. For instance, when introducing the command form of a verb, they had a practice like: 1) Instructor's prompt gives infinitive, you give the command form. I.E. number 1 trabajar trabaje number 2 mandar mande number 3 estudiar estudie So the drill was neither challenging nor realistic. My earlier fascination with Programmatic Spanish may have been primarily because of the phonology portions of units 1 - 14 (first section of each unit). As I go further in the course, I'm less impressed, however I still feel it's valueable and plan to continue using it in conjunction with the Basic Course. One challenge for me with either course has been finding sufficient context. By that I mean the drills are generally not situational/contextual. Usually, each exercise in a drill is unrelated to the previous exercise, other than that they are covering a similar grammatical point. To combat this lack of context, I memorize and shadow the dialogs in addition to doing the drills. Edited by luke on 30 May 2005 at 1:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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