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viedums Hexaglot Senior Member Thailand Joined 4664 days ago 327 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Latvian, English*, German, Mandarin, Thai, French Studies: Vietnamese
| Message 249 of 306 23 June 2012 at 7:37am | IP Logged |
The answer is Classical Chinese. The names are mentioned in Zuo zhuan, one of the earliest surviving history texts. Here’s the citation: 左傳 , 隱公五年 : “春蒐, 夏苗, 秋獮, 冬狩 .” So蒐 苗 獮 and 狩are the terms for seasonal hunting. You can find this in the dictionary 古漢語常用字字典, and a translation of the passage where it appears is in Mark Lewis’s book “Sanctioned Violence in Early China”, p. 18.
I thought someone learning characters might have come across these, but I guess not. For a while now I’ve been curious about these terms and their significance for early Chinese society – as I recall, there is some connection with ritual and royalty. It may have been that the king going hunting at certain times of year had ritual significance, like the tours of the realm made by European kings and queens.
Anyway, here’s another one. Name a Sinitic language (or Chinese dialect) WITHOUT tone sandhi.
Mandarin of course wouldn’t qualify, because if two tone 3s follow each other, the first will become tone 2, like “ni3 hao3” becoming ni2 hao3. With 老李買好酒, which is five tone 3s in a row, different numbers of them change depending on how fast the person is speaking. So not Mandarin.
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| mashmusic11235 Groupie United States Joined 5497 days ago 85 posts - 122 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Cantonese
| Message 250 of 306 24 June 2012 at 5:34am | IP Logged |
I could be wrong, but I studied Cantonese for about six months, and I don't recall it
having any tone sandhi whatsoever.
If I'm right, name a language that has T-V distinction (the correct term for using
plural/different pronouns to make a distinction between formality and intimacy) between
more than two pronouns. As a counterexample, French only has T-V distinction between 'tu'
and 'vous'. The language I have in mind has three of these pronouns.
Also, I congratulate you, viedums, on posing a question that no one could answer. Respect
^_^
Edited by mashmusic11235 on 24 June 2012 at 5:35am
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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi
| Message 251 of 306 24 June 2012 at 8:54pm | IP Logged |
I am surprised, I am about to answer the hunting question 'Old Norse or Manchu', but I see I would be wrong.
anyway the answer is: Javanese:
you: kowe
sampeyan
panjenengan
Name a Chinese dialect spoken by non-Chinese (it's not Hui Mandarin! most Mandarin speakers are not Hui, and not all Huis are Mandarin)
Edited by clumsy on 24 June 2012 at 9:06pm
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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi
| Message 252 of 306 28 June 2012 at 11:13pm | IP Logged |
it was supposed to be easy, Ping - a dialect of Chinese spoken by Zhuang people.
Name a language spoken in Indonesia which has it's own writing system, other than Javanese and Balinese.
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| viedums Hexaglot Senior Member Thailand Joined 4664 days ago 327 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Latvian, English*, German, Mandarin, Thai, French Studies: Vietnamese
| Message 253 of 306 29 June 2012 at 5:47pm | IP Logged |
Makassar or Makassarese.
I don’t know if this has been mentioned here before, but one Indonesian ethnic minority recently chose to write in Hangul (link below.)
For the previous question, it might be more correct to ask for a language spoken by non-Han rather than non-Chinese, since Han is the ethnic designation within China. Zhuang people would certainly consider themselves Chinese.
Name a language that uses both infixes and reduplication in its verb conjugation system.
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| clumsy Octoglot Senior Member Poland lang-8.com/6715Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5176 days ago 1116 posts - 1367 votes Speaks: Polish*, English, Japanese, Korean, French, Mandarin, Italian, Vietnamese Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swedish Studies: Danish, Dari, Kirundi
| Message 254 of 306 05 July 2012 at 11:00am | IP Logged |
Indonesian!
Ping - I think Chinese can be used in two contexts: Chinese natonal and Chinese ethnic person.
You call people in CHinatowns 'Chinese' even if they have never been to China.
A Catalan too wouldn't call herself Spanish.
Name a language which does not use Latin alphabet, and is used in Vietnam.
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| viedums Hexaglot Senior Member Thailand Joined 4664 days ago 327 posts - 528 votes Speaks: Latvian, English*, German, Mandarin, Thai, French Studies: Vietnamese
| Message 255 of 306 05 July 2012 at 3:02pm | IP Logged |
Actually Indonesian would not be correct, it doesn’t have infixes. I was thinking of Philippine languages like Tagalog or Ilokano.
The answer to your question is Cham. This language has a very interesting history, by the way. There is a Cham-French dictionary from the seventies with the Indic script which is quite fun to flip through.
Name a language in which some words are sesquisyllabic.
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| Message 256 of 306 12 July 2012 at 9:35pm | IP Logged |
Khmer!
hmm, yes, actually it was Cham I meant. hmm. I didn't know about the dictionary, there are not many textbooks anyway.
Name a macrolanguage having at least 20 languages.
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