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| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6582 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 9 of 26 26 October 2013 at 10:03pm | IP Logged | |||||
Ah, så det var ett 'n' på slutet! Inte släkt, allstå? Nåväl. En tacker å bocker. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 10 of 26 26 October 2013 at 11:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Now Ordnett's dictionary lists it too:
dokker el de pron; obj: dykk el dokker; gen.: dokkar el dykkar (Nynorsk) BOKMÅL dere Nynorsk rettskrivingsordbok av Jon Bjones ( Rettskrivingsendringane frå 2012 er innarbeidde i ordlista. ) -- In Lexin: Bokmål oppslagsord dere /de:re/ pronomen Nynorsk de &nb sp; /de:/ pronomen Nynorsk alternativ dokker It's funny dokker means puppets too :( Edited by Medulin on 26 October 2013 at 11:16pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5334 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 11 of 26 27 October 2013 at 1:49am | IP Logged | |||||
Hmmm. Technically you should be right, but I would have to side with Jeff on this one. When we say Nynorsk only that is generally understood as the written norm. We would say "dialects" or dialects close to Nynorsk if we meant any spoken variant. And if you say in Bergen that they speak a dialect of Nynorsk you risk losing one of your three legs. Interesting that "dokker" has now been included in Nynorsk, but infinitely sad that the i-ending of nouns has been excluded. My mom told me that families have been ripped apart by quarrels regarding that ending, and those who lost the battle must be very sad. I cannot help but persist in my idea that Nynorsk, Bokmål and Riksmål should be abolished, and be replaced by Norwegian, where all past and current forms of words that exist in all three variants are permitted. What today is taught in schools as Nynorsk is in any event a travesty. A huge part of the words that made Nynorsk different and beautiful are corrected if you use them. And even some of those who teach and speak Standard Eastern Norwegian are not capable of speaking it correctly. We must be the only country in the world where a teacher of the national language can say the equivalence of "Her has done it", or make 5 spelling errors on one single written page and get away with it. Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 27 October 2013 at 1:51am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| montmorency Diglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4828 days ago 2371 posts - 3676 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Danish, Welsh | Message 12 of 26 27 October 2013 at 11:49am | IP Logged | |||||
As an outsider I can be fairly neutral here (!) ( :-) ): Your post seems eminently reasonably (as always) Cristina, but also seems to contain a slight contradiction. You seem to be arguing for a fairly laisser-faire policy on the one hand, and yet criticising a teacher for not being correct enough on the other. Presumably the teacher(s) in question believe that what they are teaching is correct, so mustn't it actually be correct in whatever version of Norwegian they are used to? Anyway, your solution of allowing "all past and current forms of words that exist in all three variants [to be]... permitted." would presumably end up making life even more complicated for the person who wants to learn Norwegian as a second language. (Edited: "confusing" -> "complicated") Edited by montmorency on 27 October 2013 at 12:39pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6909 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 13 of 26 27 October 2013 at 1:40pm | IP Logged | |||||
It's not that differences in usage/vocabulary/grammar/etc. has stopped anyone to learn English, Spanish, German, Chinese... Irish. Some people say "dere", others say "dokker"; some say "tap", others say "faucet" and so on. It's not the end of the world. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5334 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 14 of 26 28 October 2013 at 2:04pm | IP Logged | |||||
Two different things. In the written language I am trying to look for a democratic solution which includes everyone, and which actually makes some sense. I was however talking about including any variant which at some point have had official recognition. Not any mistake made in the history of the Norwegian language. Orally I accept every dialect we have, with all its variants without question. When we are dealing with what are blatant grammatical mistakes, and recognized as mistakes by 8-year olds, within the very same variant they speak, then that it another matter. I know there are a lot of people, also on this forum, who think we should have a descriptive approcah to grammar, and not a normative one. I am not of that opinion. Some words are part of the standard, some are part of a dialect, and some are mistakes. My children have teachers with at least 8 different Norwegian dialects, and several foreigners with broken Norwegian. No problem. But a mistake is still a mistake. Of course what is a mistake at one point, may become part of a standard at a later point.When I was a kid the correct sentence would be " I saw him". Now you are allowed to say "I saw he" - and younger people do not even know when it should be " he" or "him", they only use "he". And that is fine. Personally I continue saying "him", but I accept that others make differents choices. However when they start saying things like: "Her saw it", instead of "She saw it" or "That is themses" instead of "That is theirs", then I cringe. I doubly cringe when it is a person who is supposedly teaching the children Norwegian. Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 28 October 2013 at 2:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4668 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 15 of 26 28 October 2013 at 4:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Yesterday I read a Swedish magazine, and it was fairy easy to understand.
Written Swedish looks like a mix of Bokmaal and Nynorsk, with somewhat different spelling and a few different words here and there. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6582 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 16 of 26 28 October 2013 at 6:21pm | IP Logged | |||||
Actually, at least in Swedish, "Jag såg honom" is the newer form, and "Jag såg han" is the older. Thus, speaking from a normative historical perspective, you're the one making the "mistake". But we respect your choice, of course. Some are just more conservative in their speech. :)
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