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| siomotteikiru Senior Member Zaire Joined 6358 days ago 102 posts - 242 votes  | Message 249 of 489 01 August 2007 at 8:02am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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It might sound strange but the ASSAULT (massive exposure for hours on end) is a reward for good life. Do you love what you’re doing? Have you ever read books for hours, days or weeks on end with constant joy and wonder? Do you get enough sleep? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| sergiu Diglot Senior Member Romania freewebs.com/invata_ Joined 6436 days ago 105 posts - 108 votes Speaks: Romanian*, English Studies: German | Message 250 of 489 01 August 2007 at 8:51am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Yes Asad ,if you really enjoy reading,then you can do it all day long,and viceversa.But what you're doing is still progress,no need to "panic".
But maybe that also depends on the person,so 12 hours is simply too much and you need to be doing something else for a change. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| asad100101 Diglot Senior Member Pakistan languagel.blogspot.c Joined 6452 days ago 118 posts - 137 votes Speaks: Hindi*, English | Message 251 of 489 01 August 2007 at 8:57am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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Do you love what you’re doing?
Yes, I do....but still I feel that listening to one's voice reading something at a stretch is boring to some extent. I need breaks in between so that my mind can be focused on deciphering and understanding the context. If I take breaks in between, I will not be able to listen to the novel for 12 hours straight. No matter how i love studyng languages or doing maths I can not work at it all day long. My mind will feel tired and bored. [B}Have you ever read books for hours, days or weeks on end with constant joy and wonder? Not really. two-three hours a day at best. I am learning English. I had read 3-4 graded readers when I was a beginner and it took me atleast a week to finish one off. I had read two printed novels so far and each one took one month to finish off. I normally read short piece of articles on my choosen topics on the internet but no lengthy books. In fact, they dread me a lot. My reading speed is not good, I feel like. It is 200 wpm. Reading books is not my cup of tea, but reading short articles is. I derive pleasure from reading something that holds my imagination, when my adrenalin feels moving fast. I have hardly come across such writing either on online forums or articles published elsewhere. Do you get enough sleep? 10 hours a day. To tell you the truth, I am not the fittest man. I am overweight. I hardly excercise or walk. I feel tired after reading something on my computer screen for one hour and I can not read for hours and hours at a long stretch. Edited by asad100101 on 01 August 2007 at 9:03am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| JasonChoi Diglot Senior Member Korea, South Joined 6356 days ago 274 posts - 298 votes Speaks: English*, Korean Studies: Mandarin, Cantonese, Latin | Message 252 of 489 02 August 2007 at 12:02am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I think the answer to this question may be the most critical factor for whether the method works or not. It presupposes that a person enjoys reading so much that he or she could literally sit for hours on end, like watching a movie or playing a video game. I have a relative who literally gets lost in a book, so much so that even when people call her name, she would be so engrossed in the story that she wouldn't notice someone was calling her. I've unfortunatley never had that experience (as I really don't like to read), however, it's clear to me that those who love to read will greatly benefit from this method. I suppose that reading, for such people, would put them into an flow state so that listening to the story for several hours would happen quite effortlessly. In other words, it's not looked upon as a chore, but a delight, which would likely explain why siomotteikiru suggests that you must love what you're doing. In short, affective issues appear to be a huge factor of whether this method is effective or not. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| FSI Senior Member United States Joined 6356 days ago 550 posts - 590 votes Speaks: English* | Message 253 of 489 02 August 2007 at 12:49am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
With regards to the discussion on the necessity of spending hours and hours on the method each day...
This was on the 16th. Since then (pgs. 13/14 in this thread), I've kept it to 30-40 minutes per language, and haven't had trouble keeping up with it. I would recommend lessening the hours to a point you feel you can easily sustain per day. If I were to try 6 or 8-hour shifts with the method, as stated above, it would quickly loose its appeal for me. I enjoy reading, but I would not enjoy reading this way. I would have to modify the method to suit my needs, or leave it altogether. 30 minutes a day, however, is something I can do. And each day, I can see the progress I make in both listening to the L2 and reading the L2. It isn't stressful, or intimidating. I break the 30 minutes down further into 5 or 10 minute chunks, and complete them throughout the day. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Wings Senior Member Ireland n/a Joined 6351 days ago 130 posts - 131 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish | Message 254 of 489 02 August 2007 at 3:53am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
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I’m intrigued by this method of use foreign audio books with written native translation to learn. Has anybody thought of using film scripts for this method? Lots of dialog, there’s still some descriptive narrative in it, and you possibly get to play the part of your favourite movie star, which maybe less boring for some, and something you could keep doing hours on end. You could probably use a DVD I think this has been suggested, but I think a parallel text would be easier to work with, and audio you can store on your mp3. Edited by Wings on 02 August 2007 at 3:54am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| luke Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 7202 days ago 3133 posts - 4351 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Esperanto, French | Message 255 of 489 03 August 2007 at 1:48am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
I see what you mean. In my short investigation of side by side text comparison, I've found a good bit of missing text. How do you handle that? If you know the target language well enough, do you provide your own translation for the missing text? What about word order? English has a fair bit of flexibility in word order. I can see how I could re-order the English translation at times to make it more literal. For instance:
That's a very simple example. Do you make such modifications to the translation when you are confident in them? Edited by luke on 03 August 2007 at 1:53am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||||||||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 7100 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 256 of 489 03 August 2007 at 2:52am | IP Logged | |||||||||||
The problem I have with that is that once you are at the level where you are confident in making such modifications and retaining the sense, you are beyond the point of needing a translation in the first place and should just be reading in L2. The single possible benefit in making such modifications would be to aid others by providing a translation more suited to this method - altruism being no bad thing in itself obviously. Andy 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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