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| atamagaii Senior Member Anguilla Joined 6203 days ago 181 posts - 195 votes  Speaks: Apache* | Message 449 of 489 04 February 2008 at 9:39am | IP Logged | ||
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To slucido Polish learners of English pronounce "love" and "laugh" exactly in the same way: /laf/ - in a Polish way, and Polish /laf/ has nothing to do with English "love" nor "laugh". Sit, seat, sid, seed are all pronouced /sit/. Japanese learners of English pronounce "text" - /tekisuto/. When you get down to a language in a roundabout (suicidal) way, starting from reading, you actually pronounce everything in your native way. No wonder you cannot understand when you listen to native speakers. You have simply learned a different (non-existent) language. I can't tell you what you should do. I only know what I would try to do if I were you (fortunately, I am not). 1. I'd stop reading. 2. I'd do Step 2 and Step 3 of the L-R 3. I'd learn phonetics 4. I'd repeat after good actors reading novels I like 5. I'd start reading again (without listening) 6. I'd listen and read separately 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| atamagaii Senior Member Anguilla Joined 6203 days ago 181 posts - 195 votes Speaks: Apache* | Message 450 of 489 04 February 2008 at 9:59am | IP Logged | ||
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To leserables (see his post above, page 59)
You're talking about teaching, I'm talking about learning. You learn on your own, and you want to. Teachers hardly ever have anything to do with learning. I have nothing against non-native speakers, I am against listening to them if you want to learn how to pronounce properly in your target language, that's why I wouldn't listen to QingZ (Zhuangzi's) podcasts. Edited by atamagaii on 04 February 2008 at 10:05am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6672 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 451 of 489 04 February 2008 at 3:52pm | IP Logged | ||
It makes sense. Do you mean step 2 and 3 during for 8-10 hours 3-7 days or it doesn't make sense such intense schedule in that situation? How do you recommend learning phonetics? Something like " Ship or Sheep?" book ? Edited by slucido on 04 February 2008 at 3:53pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| atamagaii Senior Member Anguilla Joined 6203 days ago 181 posts - 195 votes Speaks: Apache* | Message 452 of 489 04 February 2008 at 10:31pm | IP Logged | ||
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To slucido once more
I cannot recommend anything. It's entirely up to you how intense (or tense) you'll make it. By the way, you can find plenty of phonetics books at englishtips. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6854 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 453 of 489 06 February 2008 at 5:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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Atamagaii, what are your thoughts on the IPA?
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| daristani Senior Member United States Joined 7141 days ago 752 posts - 1661 votes Studies: Uzbek | Message 454 of 489 06 February 2008 at 7:21pm | IP Logged | ||
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For devotees of the listening-reading/massive input approaches to language learning, here's an article about a recent study that seems to support the effectiveness of this approach, based on observations of the way small children appear to learn words in groups rather than, as previously thought, as individual lexical items:
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080129215316.ht m 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Zhuangzi Nonaglot Language Program Publisher Senior Member Canada lingq.com Joined 7025 days ago 646 posts - 688 votes Speaks: English*, French, Japanese, Swedish, Mandarin, Cantonese, German, Italian, Spanish Studies: Russian | Message 455 of 489 06 February 2008 at 10:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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I did not understand the link about word mining.
What is can say is that I have never met a person who spoke a language really well and whose accent put me off. I have met people with an exaggerated American or British accent who speak poorly. They make a worse impression. Accent or pronunciation perfection is overrated as a skill. Learning to speak well requires a lot of reading in the language. As early as possible is a good time to start in my view. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| CaitO'Ceallaigh Triglot Senior Member United States katiekelly.wordpress Joined 6854 days ago 795 posts - 829 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian Studies: Czech, German | Message 456 of 489 07 February 2008 at 12:56am | IP Logged | ||
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I guess they're equating the "chunking" of meaningful groups of words with data mining. I guess over a period of time, the brain automatically picks up what is most important, like these computerized data mining tools. That's my understanding of it. Putting it into an adult context, it would make sense to me, then, that learning a language requires a significant amount of meaningful oral input. But without the context of a three-dimensional childhood, adults have to create articial means. Why not a good book?
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