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| vanityx3 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6458 days ago 331 posts - 326 votes  1 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 473 of 489 08 February 2008 at 9:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
Actually the older Assimil tapes ProfArguelles talks of are recorded by proffesional actors and the converstations are of good quality. Also ProfArguelles talks of editing the tapes so they are only in the target language and also where there is little break in between. ProfArguelles also listens a lot with his method and gets a lot of exposure as well. I think the methods are very similar in many ways except that: L-R is cheaper L-R uses literature and ProfArguelles has used Conversations and their parallel texts.(Assimil) L-R give you more exposure to all verbs including literary types of verbs such as floundered or teetered where the other method will give you exposure verbs that are used commonly in speaking and writing. Also ProfArguelles starts speaking very soon, which may not be for everyone as atamagaii frequently warns and I believe too. Edited by vanityx3 on 08 February 2008 at 10:06pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| atamagaii Senior Member Anguilla Joined 6203 days ago 181 posts - 195 votes Speaks: Apache* | Message 474 of 489 08 February 2008 at 9:55pm | IP Logged | |||||
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To compare Assimil to a novel, or Assimil recordings to Jeremy Irons reading Lolita...
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| vanityx3 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6458 days ago 331 posts - 326 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Spanish, Japanese | Message 475 of 489 08 February 2008 at 10:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
Exactly, my point, it depends on what you like better apples or oranges, literature or conversation. I like both. :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| atamagaii Senior Member Anguilla Joined 6203 days ago 181 posts - 195 votes Speaks: Apache* | Message 476 of 489 08 February 2008 at 10:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
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To vantyx3
There are people who like cucumbers, I prefer the gardener's daughter. Back to the topic: TIME Time is life. (until we enter the realm of timelessness). If you can fill the unforgiving minute With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run Rudyard Kipling Have you lived one million hours? 24x30=720 x12=8640 x10=86400 Sleep: school: television, computer games, etc: Killing time is not so much murder as suicide. SENSORY MEMORY: echoic (auditory): 1 (one) second iconic (visual): 0.6 second Never underestimate the power of a fraction of a second. PIMSLEUR (Japanese, Part I, II, III) 90 units x 30 minutes = 45 hours silence: 23 hours language material: 40 (forty) minutes, short "dialogues" about nothing the price: time to earn the money: AN AUDIOBOOK (an average novel) time: six to twelve hours language material: six to twelve hours the price: siomotteikiru Edited by atamagaii on 08 February 2008 at 10:48pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| atamagaii Senior Member Anguilla Joined 6203 days ago 181 posts - 195 votes Speaks: Apache* | Message 477 of 489 10 February 2008 at 8:29am | IP Logged | |||||
Fränzi wrote:
atamagaii=siomotteikiru=Phi-Staszek replied:
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| Alkeides Senior Member Bhutan Joined 6145 days ago 636 posts - 644 votes | Message 478 of 489 10 February 2008 at 8:59am | IP Logged | |||||
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For step 3, do you have to slow your reading down to match what you think you hear, or just read at your normal pace, which for me is at least a few paragraphs ahead, <though spoken French (I'm L-Ring L'etranger now) is quite fast, faster than English anyway>?
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| Alkeides Senior Member Bhutan Joined 6145 days ago 636 posts - 644 votes | Message 479 of 489 10 February 2008 at 9:08am | IP Logged | |||||
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Also, for step 2, I don't really understand the purpose that you have stated. To separate the sounds into individual words when I do step 3 later?
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| atamagaii Senior Member Anguilla Joined 6203 days ago 181 posts - 195 votes Speaks: Apache* | Message 480 of 489 10 February 2008 at 9:15am | IP Logged | |||||
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To amphises
What a curious question! I keep getting it time and again. I'd solw down to match, and listen to the same fragment a few times, if necessary. Step 3 does not make much sense if you don't understand what you're hearing. Books for beginners should be translated word-for-word, I made it clear in my first post, and then repeated it many a time. If they are not translated word-for-word, it is still possible to do Step 3, but it would require much more effort and experience in learning foreign languages. Let me stress once more: L-R is not a mechanical process, it is not a magic wand, it takes LOVE and BRAINS and it requires all your powers of concentration for a very long time. If you are not able to do it, you have to train yourself. L-R is not for tinkering polygots playing with the idea of becoming a Ziad Fazah and changing their language every other day. It's meant for literature lovers. If you love what you're doing, you never get tired nor bored, you want more and more of it. Edited by atamagaii on 10 February 2008 at 9:31am 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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