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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7159 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes  20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 505 of 541 30 March 2015 at 7:22am | IP Logged |
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Because of some health problems starting a few weeks ago, I've scaled back my studies. I'm still committed to the Turkic challenge but am unsure when I can get back to my usual pace with the other languages as well as post lengthy entries. I will see how this turns out.
*** AZERI I've finished shadowing the remaining audio (i.e. Units 9 to 23) in the Peace Corps' primer “Introduction to the Azerbaijani Language” as well as the remaining chapters in “Essentials of Azerbaijani” (i.e. Units 9 to 18). I am pleased by my diversion through Azeri and enjoyed getting a better sense of how Azeri and Turkish differ. To be honest, I was just starting to get comfortable with Azeri and was even considering replacing Turkish with Azeri since I felt as if I had grasping things faster than with my Turkish materials (this applies even to topics such as the future tense which I have not yet covered in Turkish). However with the likelihood of travelling to Azerbaijan in the near future lower than doing the same to Turkey, I'm OK with setting Azeri aside with my curiosity satisfied. I started the Turkmen section of the challenge and will stick with this language until June 30. I've already shadowed all of the audio in the Peace Corps' primer and will use DLIFLC Headstart2 as "core material". The most striking thing aspect for me about the language so far per the Peace Corps' audio is the language sounds a bit like Azeri or Turkish with a noticeable Russian accent. I don't like much the sound of it. This is on top of the oddity of Turkmen c and з being pronounced as [θ] and [ð] respectively (i.e "th" in "theory" and "those" respectively). *** KOREAN I've continued my studies with “Korean Made Easy for Beginners” by finishing Units 2 through 4. I relish the feeling of tickling my mind with such a different language and already in Unit 5 am wrapping my head around the counters which I understand from others' comments on this forum are also used in the Sinitic languages and Japanese. *** MISCELLANEOUS I’ve been working haphazardly on Finnish and until recently was attending Polish classes. I repeat that my current condition has curtailed my studies, and I am unsure when things will get back to as they were. ______ 
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| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4710 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 506 of 541 30 March 2015 at 8:11am | IP Logged |
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They are used more extensively in Mandarin than in Korean, I understand.
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| Radioclare Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom timeofftakeoff.com Joined 4586 days ago 689 posts - 1119 votes Speaks: English*, German, Esperanto Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Macedonian | Message 507 of 541 30 March 2015 at 2:38pm | IP Logged |
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Sorry to hear you've been having some health problems, Chung :( Hope things get back to normal for you as soon as possible!
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| stelingo Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5835 days ago 722 posts - 1076 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, French, German, Italian Studies: Russian, Czech, Polish, Greek, Mandarin | Message 508 of 541 30 March 2015 at 8:50pm | IP Logged |
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Geçmiş olsun, Chung.
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| Expugnator Hexaglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 5169 days ago 3335 posts - 4349 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, Norwegian, French, English, Italian, Papiamento Studies: Mandarin, Georgian, Russian | Message 509 of 541 30 March 2015 at 9:57pm | IP Logged |
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Hope you get better soon, Chung. I haven't started Turkmen yet and should still get hold of the missing audios. I hope I will like the way it sounds. I'm not very fond of what Spanish-speaking people call 'ceceo' either. We'll see how it goes. I have Basic Turkmen Textbook but no audio, so i'll have do to with the Youtube videos etc.
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| vonPeterhof Tetraglot Senior Member Russian FederationRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4775 days ago 715 posts - 1527 votes Speaks: Russian*, EnglishC2, Japanese, German Studies: Kazakh, Korean, Norwegian, Turkish | Message 510 of 541 30 March 2015 at 10:07pm | IP Logged |
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Get well, Chung!
At first I was a bit puzzled about how you could have heard a Russian accent in Turkmen, since I've heard nothing of the kind (although I haven't had much audio exposure yet). The most I got so far were some comparative similarities to Kazakh ("ol" vs "o", "f" in Arabic and Persian loanwords turning into "p"). After listening to the audio of some of those Peace Corps lessons I can sorta see where you're coming from. In fact to me it almost seems like the female speaker speaks with an actual Russian accent, with those overpronounced stressed vowels and the ä somehow being much more reminiscent of the Russian я than the Azeri ə. At first I assumed that that was just her idea of slow and careful enunciation, but then I heard her repeatedly pronounce the word "Türkmen" with the first vowel sounding very clearly like [ u ] rather than [y]. The accents of the speakers on Azatlyk Radiosy certainly sound much closer to Azerbaijani to me, the "lisping" fricatives being the biggest giveaway. Edited by vonPeterhof on 30 March 2015 at 10:08pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5352 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 511 of 541 31 March 2015 at 7:12pm | IP Logged |
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Jobbulást, Chung.
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7159 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 512 of 541 02 April 2015 at 5:20pm | IP Logged |
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Thank you for your concern, everyone. It's been tough for me to focus on my studies but I'm trying.
I've just finished the first module of Turkmen Headstart2 and I'm happy to report that it's not distorted by a Russian accent like the Peace Corps' primer. The accent makes me cringe as much as an English one (ever heard German or Polish with an English accent? *shudder*) I'm considering starting work in parallel on Colloquial Turkmen since Headstart2's interactive exercises are a good source for audio as a total beginner but I do want to get a better handle on the grammar by doing some exercises. It's a shame that there's no audio for Colloquial Turkmen. On the other hand with my reduced ability to study, I feel that it'd be better to use whatever else I can muster on my other languages. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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