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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6704 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes  Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 17 of 37 16 March 2007 at 5:06am | IP Logged | |||||
I have found out that the number of loan words varies through the Russian alphabet. It is overwhelming in A, but due to some very productive prefixes it is much smaller under B (all those almost identical words with вы ...). I guess that a Russian who wants to learn French or German will get an advantage through these loanwords, just like I feel them as a gift from the Russians to me right now. I have just finished the letter Д and there are about 750 words on my lists. There are 500 pages in my dictionary and I'm at page 98. A rough calculation gives somewhere between 3500 and 4000 (mostly passive) words, but I will probably have forgotten some of those when I finish the alphabet. Nevertheless even 2000 words will be a good starting point for reading actual stuff next month, and in the process I will have read and written so much cyrillic that it will have become second nature to me. It is an experiment, and time will show whether it functions. Using a formal list of the 5000 most important words would of course be a sensible idea, but I think it would be even better just to consider the 500 most important words and then choose the rest yourself. After all the frequency of even nr. 501 is so low that you could just as well have chosen a random word in the dictionary. And it is funnier to choose the words yourself. Edited by Iversen on 16 March 2007 at 5:15am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jerrod Senior Member United States Joined 6504 days ago 168 posts - 176 votes Studies: Russian, Spanish | Message 18 of 37 16 March 2007 at 5:32am | IP Logged | |||||
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You have a very interesting way of learning. I do not think this method would work for me. I generally like to learn words that I can put into action right away, i.e. from some current text I am reading.
I have a method now where I am learning about 1,000 words a month and reading the texts they come from over and over. I then read them out loud with my Russian girlfriend listening. I pay attention to all natural vocal pauses etc.. Yes вы is a bit troubling, but wait till you get to the letters с, п, р! I once had a set of 1000 flash cards given to me. At least a 1/3 of the cards were с, п, р. Good luck with your studies! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Darobat Diglot Senior Member Joined 7189 days ago 754 posts - 770 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Latin | Message 19 of 37 16 March 2007 at 4:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
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П makes sense because there are a lot of prefixes that begin with that letter. По, про, пере, при, под... I bet this would be a great way to deduce the meanings of the prefixes yourself, and I'm sure doing so would solidify their meaning even more, and aid you in figuring out what other words with the given prefix mean.
I may need to try this! I currently only have a vague idea of what most prefixes mean, and their meaning usually loses me when placed on verbs that aren't verbs of motion. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6598 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 20 of 37 18 March 2007 at 12:58pm | IP Logged | |||||
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In the 4-volume dictionary of Russian by Dal' the letter п has a separate volume btw.
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| Sergiusvs Newbie Russian Federation Joined 6457 days ago 1 posts - 1 votes | Message 21 of 37 23 March 2007 at 8:46am | IP Logged | |||||
As to me I have a different method. In the beginning I learn only active vocabulary (approximately 1500 words) and grammar. Then I start to read literature of interest and increase my thesaurus up to 3500 with words that I meet more then one time (I think 15 words a day is good speed). This vocabulary covers nearly 80% of all non-specialist texts. Other words are learned occasionally, in most cases one can guess their meaning. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| zoshchenko Diglot Newbie United States Joined 6441 days ago 16 posts - 16 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Georgian, Turkish | Message 22 of 37 08 April 2007 at 4:54pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Is Russian difficult? More difficult than other languages?
I think the first year is very difficult. There's learning the alphabet and some of the cases. But after that I think it is not that much more difficult than other languages. After I tried to learn some Georgian I don't complain about Russian being difficult anymore. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6910 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 23 of 37 09 April 2007 at 4:52am | IP Logged | |||||
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It all depends on where you come from... The alphabet is only a minor difficulty and can be learned in a few hours. But the case system is probably the trickiest thing for a beginner. Other things may be aspects and verbs of motion. (the stuff I'm struggling with right now).
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| zoshchenko Diglot Newbie United States Joined 6441 days ago 16 posts - 16 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Georgian, Turkish | Message 24 of 37 09 April 2007 at 5:10pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think most people might take a little more than "a few hours" to learn a new alphabet with any facility :)
Aspect has taken me many years of listening to native speakers in real life situations to master (and I use that term loosely). Verbs of motion can safely be ignored in ordinary speech. They add a lot to your knowledge of the language, though. Aspect on the other hand is very important to master as it can completely change the meaning of what you are trying to say (verbs of motion can generally be inferred from context). 1 person has voted this message useful |
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