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| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5306 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes  Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 337 of 740 21 January 2011 at 11:56am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I believe that 广播 refers to announcements like "The train is approaching. Please stand behind the yellow line" or "This train goes to Shanghai" or "First class is in the second cart". 站台 有 广播 因为 火车 快到了 = There is announcement at the platform because the train is arriving soon. I'll never call 广播 warning bell or vice versa. 广播s have words. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 338 of 740 21 January 2011 at 10:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
That's why the sentence was unexpected. I was very clear in talking with this native speaker chat partner, that there were no words but only the sound of a bell. It is also possible that this may be a matter of regional or personal usage. Edited by Snowflake on 21 January 2011 at 10:48pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 339 of 740 22 January 2011 at 12:15am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I'm going to review the FSI resource module again....lately noticed that native speakers are having difficulty understanding certain sounds that I say. For example, a mainlander spent several minutes correcting my pronunciation of zhu. Later the Malaysian fellow told me that I was saying that wrong. Edited by Snowflake on 22 January 2011 at 12:18am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lanni Senior Member China Joined 6261 days ago 102 posts - 156 votes Speaks: Mandarin* Studies: English | Message 340 of 740 22 January 2011 at 5:10am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I wouldn't like to be mean to the native speaker chat partner you mentioned. The reason I chimed in the other day about the translation of "The warning bell for the approaching train is going off" is because the Chinese version "站台有广播因为火车快到了" you got sounds rather wrong both colloquially and formally, let alone grammatically. I assume you are learning 汉语普通话(hànyǔpǔtōnghuà),which, as what I have heard so far, is called in various ways as mandarin Chinese, standard Chinese, 国语guóyǔ, and 华语(huáyǔ),etc. Then I would say the sentence "站台有广播因为火车快到了。" is a rather negligent way of speaking. The only time that I myself could speak in that way is when I had been without sleep for 72 hours straight. 火车笛声(huǒchēdíshēng)：the prolonged honk that people usually hear from the approaching train. 警笛(jǐngdí)：a police whistle; an alarm siren 站台铃声(zhàntáilíngshēng)：the bell sound broadcasted through a loudspeaker at the platform. 下课铃声(xiàkèlíngshēng)：the bell sound announcing the end of one class. 上课铃声(shàngkèlíngshēng)：the bell sound announcing the beginning of one class. 广播(guǎngbō) n.：information people transmit by speaking through a loudspeaker or on radio/TV to the public. 广播 v.：to broadcast information by speaking through a loudspeaker or on radio/TV to the public. 听广播(tīngguǎngbō)：to listen to the radio 广播找人(guǎngbōzhǎorén)：to call someone's name out in a public place, especially using a loudspeaker, sometimes on radio, in order to find them. Edited by lanni on 22 January 2011 at 1:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 341 of 740 22 January 2011 at 7:17am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Lanni, would you say that is true for many of the sentences I post? Most of my Skype chatting is with the person who helped me with the sentence that we're talking about. Here are a few more sentences from that person.... 因为在修路, 所以有一点塞车 你的身体觉得冷,你会使用暖气 现在你上年纪了, 身体比较不适应/现在你上年纪了, 身体比较不适应 没办法, 分2天做 她正准备面试 我有一个问题是关於`需求`这个字 If you find the grammar, word choice, etc. a bit odd, then I think I know what is probably going on. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lanni Senior Member China Joined 6261 days ago 102 posts - 156 votes Speaks: Mandarin* Studies: English | Message 342 of 740 22 January 2011 at 12:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
* 因为在修路, 所以有一点塞车。I personally prefer 堵车. * 你的身体觉得冷,你会使用暖气。(Sounds wordy, too many redundant characters, and the logic is not very clear, but generally this sentence is OK.) 觉得冷，就用暖气。（manly way of speaking,crisp, concise, clear logic. very colloquial.） 如果觉得冷，就用暖气。（mild,polite,still colloquial） 你觉得冷，就用暖气。(concise, focus more on the benefit of the person 你，considerate tone.) 觉得冷时，会用暖气。(shows an objective tone, like introducing living conditions) 觉得冷，可以用暖气。(means there is the option of using heater if someone feels cold) * 现在你上年纪了, 身体比较不适应/现在你上年纪了, 身体比较不适应 Nowadays, the adv.比较 is abused in Chinese. I heard this comment from a teacher of Chinese language and literature. I agree. Is it trendy? I wouldn't follow. 现在你上年纪了，身体不太适应。 现在你上年纪了，身体不容易适应。 你现在上年纪了，所以身体不太适应。 你现在上年纪了，所以身体不容易适应。 （You can add 因为 at the beginning, it depends on which part you stress.） * 没办法, 分2天做。（It is very concise and I don't know the context, so I have two ways of understanding.） 1. 没办法，所以分两天做/干（完）的。Since conditions did not permit, we/I/he/she/they had to spend two days doing it. 2. 如果没办法，就分两天做/干。If conditions do not permit, it is OK to spend two days doing it. * 我有一个问题是关於`需求`这个字。 （It is English way of speaking Chinese. Not very natural, but OK. If you punctuate it into two parts, it might sound better and be comfortable speaking） 我有个问题，是关于“ 需求 ”这 个词。 Edited by lanni on 22 January 2011 at 12:57pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| lanni Senior Member China Joined 6261 days ago 102 posts - 156 votes Speaks: Mandarin* Studies: English | Message 343 of 740 22 January 2011 at 3:57pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I am only a native Chinese speaker. What I said about the sentences you posted is my instinctive impression. Just for your reference.
message 68 page 9 Dated. Heard it in period films about the times of late 1800s and early 1900s. In today's daily life, 450,000,000 is 四亿五千万(sìyì wǔqiānwàn)
My first impression of this sentence is: Is your wife a nice person? To express the meaning of "How is your wife? ", I would say: 你妻子好吗？ 你爱人好吗？ 您夫人好吗？（very very formal. If you say 你夫人好吗？ to a close friend, it implies a friendly joking tone. ）
to damage something by messing about with it so that it does not work properly.
把你的衣服毁了。
I never heard anyone use "毁" as adv or adj. If I remember correctly, 毁 is always used as a verb.
干么/吗(gànme)？Would you do it? Shall we do it? Are you going to do it? Is she/Is he/Are they willing to do it? Do they/ Does she/ Does he/Do you accept it? 在干嘛(zàigànmá)？What are you doing? (more colloquial than 你在干什么？) 干嘛(gànmá)？An impatient way of asking someone what they want when they call to you.
Never heard of it. It should be 怎么回事儿(zěnmehuíshìer)？
你的办公室门开着吗(nǐdebàngōngshì ménkāizhema)？Insert a brief pause between 室 and 门, to make the reading comfortable. 你办公室的门开着吗? 你办公室的门是开着的吗？
手工速冻水饺(shǒugōng sùdòng shuǐjiǎo)。
马马虎虎 (mámǎhūhū) The first马 is actually pronounced as 2nd tone in real speech. The second 虎 is also 1st tone.
Never heard of 忘丢。 Often hear people say "我/他/你忘了……。" “我/他/你忘记……。” "我/他/你 忘了。" “我/他/你 忘 ……了。”
If you translate this English sentence literally, I guess every Chinese native speaker would pause for a few seconds before answering. I myself paused longer than that before I came up with this understanding: 不管以后怎样，反正现在我能听懂多少就算多 少(bùguǎn yǐhòu zěnyàng，fǎnzhèng xiànzài wǒ néngtīngdǒng duōshǎo jiù suànduōshǎo)。 I've got to be satisfied with whatever I can understand anyway, I will leave future to future. (Excuse the rough translation. I am still learning English.)
发不通 is not natural. I would say 电子邮件也发不出去(diànzǐyóujiàn yě fābùchūqù)。
缩写：to abbreviate; abbreviation 删节(shānjié)：to abridge 删节版(bǎn)/删节本：abridged version
罗马不是一天建(jiàn)成的。
再多也永远不嫌多(zàiduō yě yǒngyuǎn bùxiánduō)。 When reading aloud, switch 3rd tone of 永 to 2nd tone.
I know 尾牙is still used in Taiwan. But it is a long-dated word in mainland. 公司年终聚餐/单位年终聚餐 should be it. Edited by lanni on 22 January 2011 at 3:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 344 of 740 22 January 2011 at 5:07pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think this illustrates how hard it can be to learn a language. The phrases and sentences here are from a wide range of sources. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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