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| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes  Studies: Mandarin | Message 361 of 740 16 February 2011 at 3:42am | IP Logged |
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Pulled from the General Discussion room, Forum Glossary thread....
"ECHOING Repeating a sound, syllable, word or phrase after a speaker (person or audio tape). Different from chorusing in that the language learner repeats a word or phrase after the tape has said it rather than at the same time." I've tried shadowing ala Professor Arguelles video. It's definitely challenging. Sometimes I'll do some chorusing. And for some reason echoing dialogs affects my brain furniture differently than echoing sentences from my SRS entries. I imagine chorusing dialogs would generally have the same effect. Update; in case anyone is wondering how can I echo SRS entries when there are no attached audio clips, I copy/paste the simplified characters into Nciku. Edited by Snowflake on 16 February 2011 at 3:32pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 362 of 740 16 February 2011 at 5:16am | IP Logged |
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Looking at www.imandarinpod.com....someone mentioned this site in a review of CLO. The person strongly disliked the slight Taiwanese accent of the CLO speakers. I was taken aback by all the Rs on imandarinpod. Locally the northerners generally refrain from using R's in the presence of Taiwanese and other southerners so I am unused to hearing those. Edited by Snowflake on 18 February 2011 at 3:37am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 363 of 740 17 February 2011 at 6:03pm | IP Logged |
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I'm mulling about the place of correct repetition in learning and am rereading the posts on shadowing, especially those written by Prof Arguelles. Thinking of trying shadowing again though this time using the CLO dialogs.
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| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 364 of 740 18 February 2011 at 3:36am | IP Logged |
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Reading more of the professors' posts on shadowing. If I understand him correctly, I should be using material with which I have a 80% comprehension rate (listening or by referencing the text which in my case would have to be in pinyin). Since my vocabulary is all over the place due to my study approach, I would have to jump several CLO levels....choking on that idea and having second thoughts. This may be the price of concentrating on listening comprehension at the expense of output.
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| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 365 of 740 21 February 2011 at 12:45am | IP Logged |
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Still doing echoing at the CLO level that I started with. It's been about 1 1/2 weeks now and I'm getting to rather like it....hope my attitude continues. While technically half way through the dialogs in the level, I definitely need to do more repetitions. My aim for shadowing is basically the same as for echoing, to produce correct output and hopefully to catch up my speaking to my comprehension skills. That's different from the purposes mentioned by the professor. I'm doing set up for shadowing. Given the weather here and other things, I may end up shadowing the same material that is being echoed which is probably a good thing. The professor mentions 120 minutes as a good enough chunk for shadowing. That is probably 3-4 levels of CLO dialog. Edited by Snowflake on 21 February 2011 at 3:38am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 366 of 740 24 February 2011 at 5:36am | IP Logged |
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I'm getting additional project responsibilities. Since this project is local and my original responsibilities were on the lighter side, I was thinking that this was great for my Mandarin studies. But now there may be less time and energy for studying....will have to see how it goes.
Since Prof Arguelles' posts mention that we should be using material with which we have an 80% comprehension rate, I bought a higher CLO level. I'm continuing to echo the lower level lessons.... looked at the higher level material though haven't quite decided what to do with it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 367 of 740 26 February 2011 at 4:34am | IP Logged |
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Gotta love it. As language learners, it sometimes seems that we bumble all over the place trying to figure out how to say something. A native speaker friend had an English question for me. She's studied English far, far longer than I've been studying Mandarin. Her spoken English is pretty good. She's here in the US doing a doctorate on secondary language acquisition. It turned out her question was due to getting "adopted" and "adapted" mixed up. It puts my Mandarin difficulties in perspective.
Continuing to slowly march through the CLO material via echoing and some chorusing. Still working SRS entries. Played around today with the ChinesePod sample lessons. The dialogs were more interesting than the last time I checked them out. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5957 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 368 of 740 27 February 2011 at 9:43pm | IP Logged |
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I'm past two weeks, going onto three in echoing the CLO material and seem to have had some sort of a slight shift. Last weekend I did not attend any Mandarin speaking gatherings, mostly due to schedule. So this weekend I made a point of going. Well yesterday at the group which mostly has mainlanders, I could distinguish differences among the various southern accents. Today I was listening to someone talk, who has always acknowledged that his accent is non-standard. For the first time I had a sense of how non-standard his accent really is. I don't know if hearing these differences is due to the echoing or what. I am thinking that each level of CLO is definitely worth the price. Yesterday I used a sentence from a dialog, almost verbatim, in a conversation. In the dialog, it's;
喔，我常常搞不懂推跟拉 O, wǒ cháng cháng gǎo bù dǒng tuī gēn lā oh, I often mix up push and pull. In my case I mixed up 上 and 下, again. So this person afterward would ask me things like is my car parked up or down the hill? (The house we were at is on a hill.) Edited by Snowflake on 28 February 2011 at 7:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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