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| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5961 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes  Studies: Mandarin | Message 449 of 740 13 September 2011 at 3:49am | IP Logged | ||
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Thinking about the idea that we should be working with material with which we have an 80% comprehension rate (listening or by referencing the text). When starting, we don't understand anything. In training animals, some people use a lower percentage (70-75% comes to mind) before moving to the next step as they don't want the animal stuck at any given level (what the animal knows is too engrained). Getting beyond the stuck level can be a herculean effort.
Trying to get back to echoing CLO material. On Sat was trying to think of 重量训练 (zhòngliàng xùnliàn, weight training) while talking to someone who is originally from Zhejiang. It was on the tip of my tongue. I remembered 训练 but then got corrected. He said that 训练 is for things like job training and to use 锻炼 (duànliàn) for physical training such as running. 重量训练 came from my overseas Taiwanese chat partner so my initial thought was that this was a regional difference. I later looked up weight training in Nciku and found 举重训练 jǔzhòngxùnliàn 负重训练 fùzhòngxùnliàn So now I have to ask a few more people from both the mainland and Taiwan about these terms. Decided I like white lotus seed mooncakes better than red bean paste. Edited by Snowflake on 14 September 2011 at 5:43am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 newyorkeric Diglot Moderator Singapore Joined 6381 days ago 1598 posts - 2174 votes Speaks: English*, Italian Studies: Mandarin, Malay Personal Language Map | Message 450 of 740 13 September 2011 at 4:41am | IP Logged | ||
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Enjoy the mooncakes, even if they aren't Cantonese! We had some last night, white lotus paste with egg yolk, a pretty traditional flavor I think. There have started introducing a lot of designer flavors here, very sweet and not really mooncakes, but they seem to be the rage right now. Edited by newyorkeric on 13 September 2011 at 4:42am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| jasoninchina Senior Member China Joined 5233 days ago 221 posts - 306 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Mandarin, Italian | Message 451 of 740 13 September 2011 at 4:58am | IP Logged | ||
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Yesterday, someone gave my wife and I a giant mooncake. I can't wait to eat it. I love this holiday.
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| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5310 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 452 of 740 13 September 2011 at 9:28am | IP Logged | ||
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I got given some, too, because my friends' company received too many as gifts.
And last night I ate a small one sitting outdoors looking at the moon :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5961 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 453 of 740 14 September 2011 at 4:49am | IP Logged | ||
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Yup, enjoy those mooncakes!
Generally assessing things and feeling fustrated. On the upside, at work we went through office moves. While we're pretty cramped now, I'm in easy distance of two Mandarin speakers (turn around or stand up to talk). Walking down the aisle to get anywhere, I pass other native speakers as they sit on the aisles. On the downside, it's hard to have a conversation of more than a few sentences as I can count on hearing unfamilar vocabulary that can't necessarily be guessed from the context. Their speech is also pretty fast. If I ask them to slow down, they will usually switch to English. Looking at my transcribed portions of "The Fellowship of the Ring"... it somehow seems less intimidating now. I'm unsure why. Edited by Snowflake on 14 September 2011 at 5:40am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5961 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 454 of 740 15 September 2011 at 4:14pm | IP Logged | ||
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So excited...inquired about the winter immersion camp at http://www.tli.com.tw/EN/. They don't have that particular camp anymore but what was offered instead, in my opinion, is even better. And I was floored by the prices.... need to calm down and think through details. If I do this, it probably would be toward the end of 2012.
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| smallwhite Pentaglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5310 days ago 537 posts - 1045 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin, French, Spanish | Message 455 of 740 16 September 2011 at 10:45am | IP Logged | ||
To me, 锻炼 is physical, and something gradually increases - speed, power, endurance, etc. Weight-lifting comes to mind, but not billiards/snooker, dancing or gun-shooting. You're likely to sweat in the process :) 训练 is probably everything else, sport or otherwise, even tongue-twisters or Rubik's Cube (if such training exists). 锻炼 seems more specific than 训练. A certain XX锻炼 might be part of a YY训练. And with 锻炼 the focus is more on the person who is 锻炼ing. With 训练 the focus may be on the person, the coach or the course. Interesting to think about it :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Snowflake Senior Member United States Joined 5961 days ago 1032 posts - 1233 votes Studies: Mandarin | Message 456 of 740 17 September 2011 at 9:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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Smallwhite, thanks for the comments! I haven't followed up on the training words yet, still rethinking my approach and current routine.
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