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| Kafea Groupie United States Joined 4930 days ago 78 posts - 98 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Smi | Message 41 of 267 29 December 2011 at 10:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I have begun a journal here
Kafea If I have done this incorrectly, please let me know so I can try again! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 42 of 267 29 December 2011 at 11:16pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I suppose that relevant stuff about our studies would make up a lot of the content. It's up to you how you want to communicate via PM, more openly by posting here, in your log or creating new threads in the relevant subforum. Chatting software may not be ideal since we're in different time zones but if it'll work for some people, then why not use it? The idea of a TAC is to study as much as you can with the idea of exceeding or meeting the goals that you set for learning your target languages in the way that people in the military set out to annihilate objectives (i.e. the enemy positions). I faintly dislike this combative/militaristic metaphor as I feel silly likening myself to a soldier or general who can think of annihilating things whereas I'm studying something abstract at my leisure. In any case, I think of ourselves as forming an online study group and hope that we can help each other whether it be through simple cheerleading/encouragement to more practical things such as sharing information or clarifying things that we encounter while studying. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| cathrynm Senior Member United States junglevision.co Joined 6123 days ago 910 posts - 1232 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Finnish | Message 43 of 267 30 December 2011 at 12:06am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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I've seen other threads on this. I'm think either here or in individual threads is best. We're all in different time zones.
For chat, I read #learnfinnish.eu on the freenode.net irc network. There is a Finnish guy who shows up most days, and some others who come and go. It's often quiet, but every once in awhile it becomes active. irc:freenode.net/#learnfinnish.eu 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 44 of 267 31 December 2011 at 12:48am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
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As my study efforts in 2012 will form part of the team's "output", I will reveal in brief my plans for studying languages.
FINNISH - Estimated competency: High beginner - Current primary course: Kuulostaa hyvältä (workbook & video) - Current supplementary course: Supisuomea (online) - Other supplementary material: Ymmärrä suomea! (online), Finnish Graded Reader (text only), Selkouutiset (online) - Main bilingual dictionary: Suomi-englanti-suomi sanakirja - Complementary bilingual dictionary: Soome-eesti sõnaraamat (i.e. Finnish-Estonian dictionary but still very useful for me because it shows inflectional patterns for the Finnish words like Wiktionary but has even more words) - Reference manual: Finnish: An Essential Grammar - Other: I'll be attending Finnish classes after work every week or so for at least this winter and am most likely to be still studying Finnish by year's end. I also have a few other books for learning Finnish but I'd rather keep things simple and accumulate more knowledge of Finnish rather than more media in Finnish. NORTHERN SAAMI - Estimated competency: Mid beginner - Current primary course: Davvin 1-4 (textbooks & CDs) - Current supplementary course: N/A - Other supplementary material: Guldal garjjá (children's tales with translations into Northern Saami juxtaposed to English text), YLE Areena (streamed TV programs from Finland in Northern Saami; usefulness depends on my (potentially improving) ability in Northern Saami or Finnish for understanding the speakers or the subtitles respectively). - Dictionary: Sámi-suoma-sámi sátnegirji - Reference manual: N/A - Other: I'm currently unsure if I'll continue my studies beyond Davvin 2 but am always willing to help anyone as much as possible in getting started with studying the language indepedently. **** POLISH - Estimated competency: Low intermediate - Intended primary courses: DLI Polish Refresher Course - Listening Comprehension Module 1 Unit 1-40 (textbook & .mp3s); Reading Authentic Polish I (text only) - Intended supplementary course: (See Other) - Other supplementary material: (see Other) - Main bilingual dictionary: Słownik Polsko-Angielski; Angielsko-Polski (2 vols.) - Main reference manual: Polish:An Essential Grammar - Other: As with Finnish, I have a few other books for learning Polish but I'd rather keep things simple and increase my vocabulary by improving my abilities in reading and listening comprehension of Polish rather than accumulating more media in Polish. *** HUNGARIAN - Estimated competency: Low intermediate - Intended primary courses: eMagyarul1 and eMagyarul2 - Intended supplementary course: Hungarian Graded Reader (textbook & audio) - Other supplementary material: Magyaróra - Main bilingual dictionaries: Angol-magyar kéziszótár and Magyar-angol kéziszótár - Main reference manual: Hungarian: An Essential Grammar - Other: As the year goes on, it will become clearer how much Hungarian I'll be able to study. I've already exhausted the usual courses meant for foreigners and I returned from a recent trip to Hungary without any new courses for my collection as what I saw didn't seem to fit the bill. As a result I'd be basically learning what I can and spending more time with authentic material found on the internet for which I have some options. SLOVAK - Estimated competency: Low intermediate - Intended primary course: Hovorme spolu po slovensky "B" Slovenčina ako cudzí jazyk (textbooks & CDs) - Intended supplementary course: N/A - Other supplementary material: (See Other) - Main bilingual dictionary: Anglicko-slovenský/Slovensko-anglický praktický slovník - Complementary dictionary: Slovník slovenského jazyka ("SSJ") - Main reference manual: Colloquial Slovak (not a true reference manual but its notes on grammar are the best combination of succintness and coverage that I can get. Beginning Slovak is good but its notes on grammar are a bit too scattered to make it as handy for me as "Colloquial Slovak") - Other: As the year goes on, it will become clearer how much Slovak I'll be able to study. In which case, I would also supplement what I learn in the textbook by getting a hold of authentic material including acting on my friends' recommendations for fiction in Slovak that's suitable for someone whose grasp of Slovak is intermediate. ** LATVIAN - Estimated competency: Low beginner - Intended primary course: Easy Way to Latvian (textbook & CDs) - Intended supplementary course: Teach Yourself Latvian (textbook & CDs) - Other supplementary material: N/A - Main bilingual dictionary: N/A - Main reference manual: N/A - Other: Studying Latvian again depends on whether I'll be able to visit Latvia this year. I've already worked through 10 chapters of TY Latvian and am not a total beginner but it has been long enough that a lot of things have been forgotten. If I were to delve into this, I'd be happy to gain a beginner's grasp of the language (i.e. enough to act like a tourist and engage in fairly rudimentary small talk) UKRAINIAN - Estimated competency: High beginner - Intended primary course: Beginner's Ukrainian (textbook & online audio) - Intended supplementary course: Teach Yourself Ukrainian (textbook & CDs) - Other supplementary material: (See Other) - Main bilingual dictionary: Ukrainian-English / English-Ukrainian Dictionary - Complementary bilingual dictionary: Ukrainian-English Dictionary - Main reference manual: Ukrainian: A Comprehensive Grammar - Other: Studying Ukrainian again depends mainly on whether I'll be able to attend a course in Ukrainian later in 2012. There's also some consideration based on the likelihood of my visiting Ukraine this year. I've already worked through part of TY Ukrainian and Roma Franko's Ukrainian for Speakers of English but dropped my studies as it had become clear that I would postpone a trip to Ukraine. If I were to become more involved with Ukrainian, I would likely continue my studies with Modern Ukrainian, graded readers hosted at ERIC and authentic texts. * AZERI - Azerbaijani Language Manual (For possible dabbling or short-term challenge preferably after having completed "Teach Yourself Beginner's Turkish" (q.v.)) BELORUSSIAN - Conversational Belarusian for English-speaking Students (For possible dabbling or short-term challenge) LIVONIAN - Virtual Livonia (For possible dabbling or short-term challenge) MARI - Оҥай марий йылме: A Comprehensive Introduction to the Mari Language (For possible dabbling or short-term challenge) MONGOLIAN - Beginning Mongolian and Colloquial Mongolian (For possible dabbling or short-term challenge) RUSSIAN - Unitati didactice limba rusa nivel A1 (To be learned in the name of team spirit (*cough* Volte *cough*) ;-)) TURKISH - Teach Yourself Beginner's Turkish (For possible dabbling or short-term challenge) UZBEK - Uzbek: An Elementary Textbook (For possible dabbling or short-term challenge) 7 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 45 of 267 31 December 2011 at 7:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
is it the estimated competency as of now or the level you plan to achieve?
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 46 of 267 31 December 2011 at 6:02pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
As of now.
I'm amused. Don't you have enough? So far they're just ideas. Yet I like to have things ready (or know where things are on the internet) in case I'll be able to act on those ideas. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 47 of 267 31 December 2011 at 8:05pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
and when i was pissed off with my uni i actually checked out the options for distance learning of Russia's Finno-Ugric languages.... but that's only for those who studied them at school in those regions. the thing is, to me these two are more special than for example Spanish :P 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 7154 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 48 of 267 31 December 2011 at 8:27pm | IP Logged | ||||||||||||||
I feel the same way but perhaps not for the same reason. In general, the more hype that I hear about a language's usefulness, cultural association or multinational distribution, the more turned off I get. I've already got two "useful" languages in English and French, and by definition languages that are "useful" are supported by a lot of material or opportunities to learn it well as required. There's no need to hype them or go on the well-worn path about how great they are when there are still a lot of languages out there we can study at our leisure. I'll check in with you if I decide to learn a bit of either of those languages and it'd progress rather like what I had done with Inari Saami this summer. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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