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Tristano’s log 2015 [EN|FR|NL|RU|ES] | ||
Tags: Lithuanian | Burn-out | Dutch | Portuguese | Total Annihilation Challenge (TAC) | Russian | English | French | Spanish | ||
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6601 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes  4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 169 of 177 07 July 2015 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | ||
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I find the Scandinavian spelling messy, especially the vowels.
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| Sarnek Diglot Senior Member Italy Joined 4219 days ago 308 posts - 414 votes Speaks: Italian*, English Studies: German, Swedish | Message 170 of 177 07 July 2015 at 10:01pm | IP Logged | ||
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I don't think it's fair to talk about a Scandinavian spelling as a unit, each language has its peculiarities after all.
I can talk for Swedish only, but I find the vowels to be very regular. Remember that there are short (marked by two following consonants) and long vowels (only one following consonant/no consonant), and that the quality of a vowel changes with its quantity and you'll be fine. So for example: a is [ɑ:] when long and [a] when short, å is [o:] when long and [ɔ] when short, o is [u:] when long and [ʊ] when short (there are a few exceptions when it becomes [ɔ]), and so on... Vowels can change when a word is declined, but unlike Danish, Swedish signals it. For example: "gå" is [go:] but its perfect "gått" is [gɔtʰ:]. Of course there are exceptions, but then again, every language that uses the latin script has exceptions. The one problem I can see is that sometimes you might not remember whether you should write "e" or "ä", as they are both pronounced [ɛ] when short, but you will always know how to pronounce them when you read them in words. Oh and also the fact that the tones aren't marked... Edited by Sarnek on 07 July 2015 at 10:04pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6601 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 171 of 177 07 July 2015 at 10:10pm | IP Logged | ||
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For me each of them is a mess in their own way. Although Swedish is maybe the least messy :)
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| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4051 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 172 of 177 10 July 2015 at 7:39am | IP Logged | ||
Oh yes I can do :) :) :) Ik talar geen svenska :badass: Jag spreek inte nederlands :troll: Edited by tristano on 10 July 2015 at 11:55am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kujichagulia Senior Member Japan Joined 4851 days ago 1031 posts - 1571 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, Portuguese | Message 173 of 177 10 July 2015 at 10:43am | IP Logged | ||
Well, I started studying Portuguese (originally Esperanto for a few months) because I had become discouraged with my Japanese. I felt like I wasn't learning any Japanese, and I wanted to see if I still had the ability to learn a language, and of course I did. I was a complete beginner in Portuguese, but the progress I made gave me hope that I could continue to learn Japanese. Strange reason to start a language, I know. It can be hard to get motivation back; the first time I stopped learning Japanese, around 10 years ago, I didn't really start back for several years. I think it is easier when you are in the country where your target language is spoken, though. Although I get frustrated at times that I don't understand Japanese enough to deal with any situation in Japan, after not doing much for a few days or even weeks, I'll hear a few conversations, see something on TV, etc., and think, Yeah, I can actually do this. Let me get back to work. I'm not sure what I would do if I ever lost motivation for Portuguese, though. :) I think with me and Japanese, and you and Dutch... since we are around Japanese/Dutch people and media, we probably compare ourselves to native speakers all the time, when we should probably compare ourselves to ourselves a year ago or a month ago. Comparing ourselves to natives probably saps us of motivation because it shows how far we have to go. We should measure our progress based on how much we've improved since last week/month/year. Edited by kujichagulia on 10 July 2015 at 10:46am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4051 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 174 of 177 13 July 2015 at 12:18pm | IP Logged | ||
I find this pretty accurate. It didn't happen this with English and French because I was not comparing with natives and with Spanish just because it is pretty easy (Italian/Spanish similarities). I consider Dutch as just slightly more difficult than English but I now try to imagine what if the conditions were the same... English is everywhere, it's impossible to go to the country without knowing a single word. Since it's so widespread I could studying it effortless watching tv series and subtitles and even though I needed years to reach my current level. Years of reading, listening and speaking. What if it was the same with Dutch? With English I was once where I am now with Dutch. EDIT: to be fair, my understanding of spoken British English is just slightly superior to my understanding of Dutch. Edited by tristano on 13 July 2015 at 2:27pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4051 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 175 of 177 14 July 2015 at 12:12pm | IP Logged | ||
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I rediscovered Duolingo.
The Dutch course I find it pretty massive and a fantastic way to learn useful vocabulary and bits of grammar. Thanks to the elimination of three hearts it is not anymore frustrating. I'm brushing up things that I learned time ago and moving forward. I'm having also less problem with the English constructions so I must have learned something the last year :) (There is pain in the arse with the Dutch passive voice, or to better say: there has been good designing in the Dutch passive voice whether the same can't be said in regards of the English counterpart) Edited by tristano on 14 July 2015 at 2:03pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tristano Tetraglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 4051 days ago 905 posts - 1262 votes Speaks: Italian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: Dutch | Message 176 of 177 17 July 2015 at 9:33am | IP Logged | ||
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When I said that my English is improving I was lying.
My grammar skills suck hard times. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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