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Tsopivo Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4474 days ago 258 posts - 411 votes Speaks: French*, English Studies: Esperanto
| Message 25 of 26 30 August 2012 at 10:57pm | IP Logged |
outcast wrote:
Do native French people know what that "alternative French" is all about?? Is it some sort of fringe movement that once existed or what? It really left me wondering.
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I had never heard of such a thing as "alternative French". There is something however which we call "langage sms" that is a bit similar. It is a deformation of the written langage that consists in voluntary mispelling words, abbreviations and such to use less caracters in order to fit as much content as possible in the 160 caracters allowed in a text message. An example in English would be writing "I C U" for "I see you" or "4ever" instead of "forever" or "exampl" in place or "example". From text message, it spread to instant messenging and chats, games, emails... the advantage being to "save time" which is really arguable as it does not necessarily take any longer to type in correct French and it can take more time to decipher if you are not used to it. There are also lots of people using it because they are unable to spell correctly.
As for the sentence you posted, it kind of hurt my eyes to look at it; I had to read it a few times to understand it, even if I am familiar with the book it comes from and I had to look up the original text to understand what "douser" might be. I am not convinced this would help improve a learner's pronunciation as I was unable myself to read that sentence aloud properly even after reading it several times.
Edited by Tsopivo on 30 August 2012 at 10:59pm
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| dinguino Nonaglot Groupie GermanyRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4757 days ago 55 posts - 96 votes Speaks: English, German*, FrenchC1, Catalan, Latin, Italian, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Turkish, Russian, Irish
| Message 26 of 26 03 October 2014 at 4:12pm | IP Logged |
vermillon wrote:
rivere123 wrote:
A lot of French speakers, especially younger people, write or speak like this in informal situations. I would say it's kind of like 1337 in English, not really serious. This isn't hard to understand, but sometimes it can get downright impossible to comprehend if they apply themselves. XD |
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"write or speak like this"??? How do they "speak like this"?
I would say writing this way is a clear sign of under-education, and usually most people stop typing like this when getting past their teens... |
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There actually is a big movement in France demanding an orthography reform of the traditional, latin based spelling. Knowledge of French orthography really is in a devastating state, especially among the younger generations! Some experts even talk about an imminent illiteracy. In university in France, I often corrected native French speakers and so many of them don't seem to have a clue why their spelling system is as complicated.
Here are some interesting articles about a reform:
http://vr2.fr/les_newsletters/public/2012/fevrier/orthograph e_ter.php
Le Figaro article, 2009
Le Monde article, 2008
I, too was thinking about opening a thread about this, especially to talk about your opinions. The fact is that the French orthography is very old and people first and foremost learn their mother tongue by hearing and not reading it (obviously). So at school (and elsewhere) people tend to write down the sound and not the etymologic meaning - what first really surprised me!
Alor c tout a fè normal dekrir kom sa puisk tou le mond le comprend - peutetr pa ceu ki son en train de lapprendr mai en tou ka lé francofon natif. En plus lés otr le fon osi - et voilà why almost every young Frenchman says it's easier to write this way than the right way (for me that's definitely NOT the case, as you may see hehe! But now I can understand it pretty well due to too much SMS exposure.)
Look here for alternative spelling systems, of course totally unofficial - until now!
Edited by dinguino on 03 October 2014 at 4:14pm
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