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| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6585 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes  Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 33 of 39 09 October 2014 at 8:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Fair enough.
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| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4256 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 34 of 39 11 October 2014 at 1:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
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On topic:
It is very often that I see Scandies type in their own languages while discussing something, even in Youtube comments. On the previous topic: The hypocrisy of the Swedish government is baffling as it recognizes Meänkieli and Finnish to be different languages, Swedish and Norwegian to be different languages but not Elfdalian as a different language from Swedish (as far as I'm aware). 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6585 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 35 of 39 11 October 2014 at 1:31pm | IP Logged | |||||
Are you referring to the fact that it's not one of the official minority languages of Sweden? Or what kind of "recognition" would you expect? As far as I know there are no laws or statements from the government pertaining to Elfdalian at all, neither claiming it's a dialect nor recognizing it as a language. It's pretty obscure, spoken by about 2000 people, so it's sort of passed beneath the radar, I think. I agree that it would be a nice gesture to name it an official minority language, but I'm not sure what rights come with that distinction. I do know there are people calling for recognition of Arabic as an official minority language of Sweden. Not sure if it means anything but recognition that yep, there are a bunch of Arabic speakers in Sweden. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4256 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 36 of 39 12 October 2014 at 11:48am | IP Logged | |||||
Dedicated program and funds for the preservation of Elfdalian on behalf of the government Recognition of Elfdalian as an official minority language in the entire country and as an official regional language in Älvdalen You see if something isn't recognized it's a lot harder to get funds for university work considering it. There are a lot more grants for studying endangered languages than studying alleged 'dialects' so the passive attitude of the government is not actually neutral but detrimental to the preservation of the language. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Camundonguinho Triglot Senior Member Brazil Joined 4752 days ago 273 posts - 500 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English, Spanish Studies: Swedish | Message 37 of 39 17 October 2014 at 4:09am | IP Logged | |||||
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You can only regulate/protect/promote a language by positive discrimination,
so in Finland, Finnish users must learn Swedish, and Riksmaal/Bokmaal users in Norway must learn Nynorsk. It was positive discrimination that saved Catalan from disappearing in the last 30 years. Medical doctors in Barcelona must write in Catalan, just like doctors in Haukeland universitetssykehus in Bergen must write in Nynorsk:  Edited by Camundonguinho on 17 October 2014 at 4:17am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Henkkles Triglot Senior Member Finland Joined 4256 days ago 544 posts - 1141 votes Speaks: Finnish*, English, Swedish Studies: Russian | Message 38 of 39 17 October 2014 at 10:30am | IP Logged | |||||
So this is the only mechanism? Surely you understand that that doesn't make much sense. You can also save a language by not trying to root it out while the speakers are still in the hundreds and promote bilinguality. There are countless mechanisms that can help with this. A Basque proverb: “Hizkuntza bat ez da galzen ez dakitenek ikasten ez dutelako, dakitenek hitz egiten ez dutelako baizik. A language doesn't die because the people who don’t know don't learn it, it dies because the people who know don't speak it”. Edited by Henkkles on 17 October 2014 at 10:30am 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6912 days ago 4250 posts - 5711 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 39 of 39 17 October 2014 at 6:18pm | IP Logged | |||||
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As far as I know, Irish is mandatory in schools in Ireland. Still, a lot of people don't use it - I've even heard people say that they can't speak the language because they had to learn it in school. The language is promoted (very much in fact), but it doesn't automatically result in a great number of speakers.
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