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 Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5846 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes  1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 49 of 65 04 June 2010 at 10:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's an interesting point of discussion, Torbyrne. Who is a fake polyglot? Can somebody be a fake polyglot because people discover that he makes a Czech language mistake in a You Tube video? Let me bring this example, because I can quote my own case best: I uploaded a video entirely spoken in Dutch on You Tube recently. After the successful upload I watched it together with my Dutch friend who is a native speaker of Dutch and he detected three language mistakes in this video plus that there was a Dutch word missing (I had to use a German word instead) that makes in total four language mistakes in one You Tube video. I have 28 years experience of almost regular usage of Dutch and in Dutch speaking countries I am often not recognized as being non-Dutch. Am I now a fake polyglot because of my four language mistakes in my Dutch You Tube video? It's very easy to call somebody a fake polyglot, but when is it justified? Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 04 June 2010 at 11:21pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5846 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 50 of 65 04 June 2010 at 11:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
Yes, many people don't have any contact with polyglots so they don't know enough about them. This can lead to misconceptions. I also would appreciate, if more people accepted polyglots in general as human beings who - as Torbyrne says - want to study and improve their languages like any other language learners. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 05 June 2010 at 3:40am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5846 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 51 of 65 05 June 2010 at 4:09am | IP Logged | |||||
I think it's good, if polyglots have some kind of contact with each other so that they can exchange ideas and experiences or practise languages together (that's what we do on Skype!). If you skype together you know who's a fake and who's not. Prof. Arguelles keeps a great distance to his language community. Everybody who is registered as a LingQ member has the possibility to interact with Steve Kaufmann, there's even a thread in the LingQ-forum called "Ask Steve". I find it relatively easy to distinguish, who is a polyglot. For example I could name other polyglots of our HTLAL forum: ronp, Amir, fanatic, JW, Iwwersetzerin. Laoshu (Moses) as well, but he has a different approach to polyglottery. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 05 June 2010 at 8:59am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6438 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 52 of 65 05 June 2010 at 11:46am | IP Logged | |||||
I have to strongly disagree about Professor Arguelles. I've found him to consistently be warm, courteous, open, and approachable. Some forum members have met him face to face; I've voice-chatted with him. He is extremely busy, but not distant. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Fasulye Heptaglot Winner TAC 2012 Moderator Germany fasulyespolyglotblog Joined 5846 days ago 5460 posts - 6006 votes 1 sounds Speaks: German*, DutchC1, EnglishB2, French, Italian, Spanish, Esperanto Studies: Latin, Danish, Norwegian, Turkish Personal Language Map | Message 53 of 65 05 June 2010 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
I have never been active in the Prof Arguelles subforum, so I assume that he doesn't know me at all, because I have never posted anything there. I didn't know that other forum members have had personal contact with him, besides Sprachprofi and Laoshu. Your descripiton is interesting. Fasulye Edited by Fasulye on 05 June 2010 at 12:24pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Wise owl chick Senior Member Ecuador Joined 5317 days ago 122 posts - 137 votes Studies: English | Message 54 of 65 05 June 2010 at 12:34pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I think that Prof A is nice and kind but very formal as well.
Torbyne, Luca, fasulye, JW, Prof A, Sprachprofi and more are polyglots, (or I prefer the word multilingual). they haven't to memorise some phrases, or imitate like the parrots because they can construct the phrases in their foreign languages. I don't understand why the person here think that this people have to memorise the phrases. Some things are memorised and a few words, but those conversations were like when you talk but you didn't know what the other person will ask you. I don't agree with John Smith at all and probably he hasn't learned a foreign language, only his two native ones therefore he doesn't know this feeling of speak a foreign one which you have learned (not during the infancy). Edited by patuco on 05 June 2010 at 10:50pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| PaulLambeth Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5372 days ago 244 posts - 315 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Icelandic, Hindi, Irish | Message 55 of 65 06 June 2010 at 12:42am | IP Logged | |||||
I couldn't hope to guess who you mean. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| John Smith Bilingual Triglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6041 days ago 396 posts - 542 votes Speaks: English*, Czech*, Spanish Studies: German | Message 56 of 65 06 June 2010 at 9:51am | IP Logged | |||||
I have learnt a couple of foreign languages. That is why I know what the difference is between being a native speaker and a non native speaker. I believe that the only time foreign language learners sound like native speakers is when they use phrases they have heard before. OR when they substitute words. E.g. the learner has heard someone say "I can see". They then know how to say "I can swim" correctly. All they did was replace one verb with another one. Youtube polyglots are proof that after a certain age you can never reach native like fluency. Only children are able to absorb a language's soul (can't think of a better term). The best language learners can do is mimic the language like a parrot. I'm using talking parrots as an example because even though parrots can talk they cannot absorb the soul of human language. I'm not putting anyone down. I am not calling anyone a fake. All I am saying is that only children have the ability to pick up a language and speak it correctly. I also want to add that I understand that native speakers make mistakes when they talk. HOWEVER what most people here don't seem to understand is that comparing a native speaker's mistakes with a foreign language learners mistakes is like comparing apples and oranges. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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