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| sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5748 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes  Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch | Message 1 of 37 23 March 2009 at 1:15am | IP Logged |
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I am looking into Persian as I really like the Arabic script but Arabic was just too hard for me. I noticed that while
looking up information on written Persian that there is a hamza in the alphabet. I do not remember seeing anything about the ayn, but I was just wondering, are these letters the same in Persian as in Arabic? These letters were what turned me off of Arabic because of the pronunciation. Thank you1 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Fat-tony Nonaglot Senior Member United Kingdom jiahubooks.co.uk Joined 6142 days ago 288 posts - 441 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Russian, Esperanto, Thai, Laotian, Urdu, Swedish, French Studies: Mandarin, Indonesian, Arabic (Written), Armenian, Pali, Burmese | Message 2 of 37 23 March 2009 at 9:23am | IP Logged |
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The "ayn" is preserved in spelling but not pronunciation. I can only judge from Urdu, but although it isn't pronounced it does leave its mark on the surrounding vowel sounds and/or is pronounced as a glottal stop. You
may also have noticed that the emphatic consonants are also used in Persian, but the same rules apply, they are used to preserve Arabic spelling but pronounced as their unemphatic equivalents. Finally "ghain" is used and pronounced as in Arabic, but as you speak French that shouldn't be too much of a problem. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Marc Frisch Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6667 days ago 1001 posts - 1169 votes Speaks: German*, French, English, Spanish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Persian, Tamil | Message 4 of 37 23 March 2009 at 10:33pm | IP Logged |
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If you get turned off Arabic by the sound of two letters... then you can't possibly be motivated enough to learn it.
If you're interested in Persian only because Arabic was too hard for you, then you're obviously not motivated enough to learn that neither. The self-evident conclusion is that you should forget about both of them, before you invest a lot of time and later regret it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5748 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch | Message 5 of 37 24 March 2009 at 1:49am | IP Logged |
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Again, there are other reasons and regardless I still take offense. I have no interest in learning Arabic because I do
not have any reason to use it. I also said that it was only ONE of the reasons. A reason for me to learn Farsi is that I have Iranian friends. Many of them are not very good at speaking German, and it would be pleasant for me to take the first step into trying to be able to communicate better. I was only asking this because I was wondering if I would need to put in extra time to learn these sounds. True maybe I would be a little less confident but I would still have a reason. I am not learning Persian because Arabic is too hard for me. I have perfectly legit reasons and I would just like a little input. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6441 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 6 of 37 24 March 2009 at 10:57am | IP Logged |
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Understandable Persian pronunciation is extremely easy for English speakers; I think it also would be for German speakers.
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| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6274 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 7 of 37 24 March 2009 at 3:05pm | IP Logged |
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Farsi sounds very different from Arabic. I noticed this when watching a BBC documentary on Iran.
Farsi is useful in Iran (of course), Afghanistan and Tajikistan, where variations of Persian are spoken. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Marc Frisch Heptaglot Senior Member Germany Joined 6667 days ago 1001 posts - 1169 votes Speaks: German*, French, English, Spanish, Portuguese, Turkish, Italian Studies: Persian, Tamil | Message 8 of 37 24 March 2009 at 9:56pm | IP Logged |
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Persian is very easy to pronounce for a German speaker. Don't be surprised to find all the letters from the Arabic alphabet. They are used in loanwords from Arabic but many of them merged to the same (easier) sounds in Persian, e.g. Tha, Sad, and Sin are all pronounced like the s in English "sun". However, this makes Persian also more difficult to spell correctly, as it's less phonetic than Arabic (Hint: if you don't know, take Sin, because it's by far the most common and the only one used in words of non-Arabic origin!).
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