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| LittleKey Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5950 days ago 146 posts - 153 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Japanese | Message 18 of 37 26 March 2009 at 1:01am | IP Logged |
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I'm aware of the fact that Arabic has more uses across the world than Farsi does. In most countries, you'll find more Arabic speakers than Farsi speakers, I know this. But that doesn't mean Farsi is useless, as you seem to think.
You actually did imply that; you said that he's being a pussy by learning Farsi. And by saying no one speaks it, although I know you don't mean that LITERALLY, it implies that it's a useless language, which it isn't. I don't like to argue semantics but it seems pretty clear what you were trying to convey. I don't like conflict, and I don't dislike you or anything like that; I just think that post was rude to native speakers and learners of the language, so I wanted to bring it up and state my own personal opinion. Out of pure curiosity, why do you doubt the helpfulness of having native friends? I find it useful to have people around who can always help me with vocabulary and pronounciation (they're always joking about my pronounciation, it helps me learn =P). And Sprachefin, I don't know of any books (if I did I would probably buy them hahaha) but I'm sure you could find some recordings, sound alphabets, and stuff like that on the internet to help with pronounciation. For that and grammar, I would suggest this website (http://soyouwanttolearnalanguage.googlepages.com/persian). I heard about it on this forum, it has tons of good resources for Farsi and lots of other languages too. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| sprachefin Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5744 days ago 300 posts - 317 votes Speaks: German*, English, Spanish Studies: French, Turkish, Mandarin, Bulgarian, Persian, Dutch | Message 20 of 37 27 March 2009 at 3:45am | IP Logged |
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I really do not want to cause problems, and I am not aware of what that word means. The one you are calling me.
My English slang is limited. But my friends are here to stay, and they have said over and over again that they will help me. I do not have a use for learning Arabic, and I hopefully will not be making mistakes every ten seconds as when I learned English I never made mistakes once I was confident enough to speak with natives. With French it is the same, I make sure I know what I'm talking about and I make sure I have the facts before I start talking with a native speaker. I am taking the same approach with my Iranian friends. Thank you for that resource LittleKey. It is very difficult to find good resources for Persian. And Vai, I will eventually take Arabic, I think that it is too much of a challenge for me right now as I have only learned languages that are within my grasp. Arabic's complex grammar overwhelmed me and I decided that I would try again another time. Please do not criticize me for that, it was a personal decision. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Rout Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5710 days ago 326 posts - 417 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Spanish Studies: Hindi | Message 21 of 37 09 April 2009 at 11:04pm | IP Logged |
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Persian and Arabic are both wonderful languages rich in speakers and written works. I don't see why anyone aspiring to be a polyglot wouldn't be extremely gratified by speaking either or both. However, if you're not interested in a language, it's certainly absurd to be thought of as a pussy for not continuing to study it.
Anyway, I like the FSI courses, especially for review and as supplementation to other courses, and I've heard they have at least a basic course for Persian. As I've found some of the FSI courses use older or overly formal manners of speaking, although not unintelligible and not to a large extent, the function of learning how to present the language in a more colloquial manner can be facilitated by one your friends. If you're having a tough time with your accent you could try the Farsi (Persian) Pimsleur, as it seems pimsleur tackles this problem well in any language. They make a Dari course as well. Moreover, some of the actors on the older FSIs don't speak with the most pleasant accents so this would be a great supplement. I found E.M.N. Hawker - Written and Spoken Persian and C.L. Hawker - Simple Colloquial Persian both from Longman's to be great, the latter if you just plan on speaking the language. They're older but worth the hunt. There are also several language learning series good for learning any language, including Persian. You should watch Professor Arguelles' reviews on youtube. Hope that helps! G'luck. Thanks, Rout Edited by Rout on 09 April 2009 at 11:07pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| JasonBourne Groupie United States Joined 5750 days ago 65 posts - 111 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Arabic (Written), Turkish | Message 22 of 37 11 April 2009 at 12:09am | IP Logged |
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Honestly to follow everyone's point here, I don't think either Persian OR Arabic is all that useful...
I mean does anyone here want to take a vacation to (or God forbid LIVE in) Iran?! Arabic can be useful except every city you go to speaks a different dialect...I know people who have studied academic arabic for years and years and can barely hold a simple conversation on the street. I learn these languages for the challenge and their beauty, not their utility. Edited by JasonBourne on 11 April 2009 at 12:10am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| JasonBourne Groupie United States Joined 5750 days ago 65 posts - 111 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Japanese, Arabic (Written), Turkish | Message 24 of 37 11 April 2009 at 5:45am | IP Logged |
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I like Arabic, so I'll call it beautiful if I want... I don't generally like to call a certain language useful though.
It begs the question, knowing Arabic is useful for what exactly? Sure, there are a lot of Arabic speakers out there but a large majority of them speak English or French, ESPECIALLY in the places you'd want to actually live/visit. People should have specific goals in mind when it comes to language learning. Do you want to live in the middle east? Do you want to see the pyramids? Do you want to work for the CIA (good luck on that one)? Do you want to attract women? These types of questions could be applied to any language, Trying to learn Arabic over Persian based solely on its usefulness is not going to fly. If he wants to learn Persian he should. It's more useful learning a language you want to learn instead of spending years learning Arabic and sounding like an idiot in the remote chance that you go to sunny hotspot Syria for a vacation. That said, it IS kind of stupid quitting Arabic over a couple letters in the alphabet and thinking you can actually make it through Farsi. Edited by JasonBourne on 11 April 2009 at 5:59am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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