reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6243 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German
| Message 17 of 28 12 January 2009 at 12:00pm | IP Logged |
MarcoDiAngelo wrote:
After two chapters of a Hugarian book, I couldn't pick up ONE SINGLE WORD. :-) I presume the reason was unusual word order and distant grammar. I suppose if you know nothing of the target language's family or group, perhaps you should like to learn some basics. |
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No, it couldn't possibly be that.
Edited by reineke on 12 January 2009 at 1:05pm
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charlmartell Super Polyglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 6040 days ago 286 posts - 298 votes Speaks: French, English, German, Luxembourgish*, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, Dutch, Italian, Latin, Ancient Greek Studies: Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 18 of 28 12 January 2009 at 12:16pm | IP Logged |
chelovek wrote:
I don't really understand...how is this so different from the normal LR technique? |
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It's even more painful (siomotteikiru's word for what to expect for the first few hours). Instead of reading the book first in English to make sure you know what it's all about (while listening to the sounds of the target language in the background), then trying to match the 2 versions (words, phrases, sentences, paragraphs) before attempting to make any kind of sense of the unknown, MarcoDiAngelo plunges right in at the deep and and compares both languages, carefully. And, as he found out when trying his method on a non-Slavic language, painfully and ineffectively. His method does work well for closely related languages though. Very well indeed, because we only have to pay attention to the differences, variations on a theme, we're not grappling with the Great Unknown.
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MarcoDiAngelo Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 6243 days ago 208 posts - 345 votes Speaks: Serbian*, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Thai, Polish
| Message 19 of 28 12 January 2009 at 1:17pm | IP Logged |
Is German closely related to Serbian? Hungarian is non-Indoeuropean language; for IE languages this method works just fine. And Siomo wrote that for absolute begginers first chapters or stories word-for-word texts should be made. I am a begginer in Hungarian (simply because it's not an ordinary European language), and I lack such materials.
Edited by MarcoDiAngelo on 12 January 2009 at 1:26pm
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MarcoDiAngelo Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 6243 days ago 208 posts - 345 votes Speaks: Serbian*, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Thai, Polish
| Message 20 of 28 12 January 2009 at 1:29pm | IP Logged |
reineke wrote:
MarcoDiAngelo wrote:
After two chapters of a Hugarian book, I couldn't pick up ONE SINGLE WORD. :-) I presume the reason was unusual word order and distant grammar. I suppose if you know nothing of the target language's family or group, perhaps you should like to learn some basics. |
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No, it couldn't possibly be that. |
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Molim te, ne budi arogantan po obicaju.
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reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6243 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German
| Message 21 of 28 12 January 2009 at 1:35pm | IP Logged |
MarcoDiAngelo wrote:
reineke wrote:
MarcoDiAngelo wrote:
After two chapters of a Hugarian book, I couldn't pick up ONE SINGLE WORD. :-) I presume the reason was unusual word order and distant grammar. I suppose if you know nothing of the target language's family or group, perhaps you should like to learn some basics. |
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No, it couldn't possibly be that. |
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Molim te, ne budi arogantan po obicaju. |
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OMG, I, like, understood everything!
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MarcoDiAngelo Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 6243 days ago 208 posts - 345 votes Speaks: Serbian*, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Thai, Polish
| Message 22 of 28 12 January 2009 at 1:40pm | IP Logged |
You don't speak Croatian? So you're also a liar?
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frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6739 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German
| Message 23 of 28 12 January 2009 at 1:49pm | IP Logged |
Even I probably understood it, except for "obisaju".
I think reineke is skeptical about LR in general.
Edited by frenkeld on 12 January 2009 at 1:50pm
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MarcoDiAngelo Tetraglot Senior Member Yugoslavia Joined 6243 days ago 208 posts - 345 votes Speaks: Serbian*, English, Spanish, Russian Studies: Thai, Polish
| Message 24 of 28 12 January 2009 at 1:59pm | IP Logged |
I'd rather say he is being rude. It means по обычаю.
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