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| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5504 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 41 of 81 31 July 2009 at 10:46pm | IP Logged | |||||
Dude, don't be rude, I see you are currently not studying anything according to your profile. For all you know he's fluent in it and hasn't updated it yet. Furthermore, you got to be careful saying "That's how I learn so well a new language". Lets be honest here. You got to a conversational level in 5 months. Impressive, yes. But you didn't keep it up and it is now rusty. OK. So now you're learning Swedish and seeing if what worked for you a couple years ago with Spanish will work for you now. Hasn't been 5 months yet, so its hard to know. You can't really extol the virtues of your specific combo of ways and completely discount the methods of some linguists just because it goes against what you used to learn Spanish to a passable level a few years ago. Personally, I could never do the whole "no output" thing for very long because it's so natural for me to try writing in my target lang. But who knows, I'm not currently completely fluent in either of my langs. and people who have used Krashen's technique are. So perhaps I am wrong not to try it. You are also not currently fluent in any of your studied language. So maybe Krashen has some good points. I don't know. I am just so confused as to why you make these broad statement posts when it would be so much less combative, more facilitative and a better use of the wide range of experetise on this forum to just make a Stephen Krashen post and include the articles you have found that contradict him and ask what everyone thinks and maybe include some points as to why you think he might be wrong. Might even bring about some discussion from two actual polyglots who have differing views on the whole "all input, no output" idea. Edited by Ashley_Victrola on 31 July 2009 at 11:01pm 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Katie Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 6516 days ago 495 posts - 599 votes Speaks: English*, Hungarian Studies: French, German | Message 42 of 81 01 August 2009 at 2:35am | IP Logged | |||||
I'd love to read this! I think it comes down the individual and their learning style. [Disclaimer: I don't have a degree in learning styles - I just have an interest in them and these are only my personal opinions, so I would love to hear more from others aswell] I would imagine that people who are visual learners would probably learn better through reading & watching DVDs/TV, people who are kinesthetic learners - perhaps writing?? (or using the language in some manner), auditory - listening to music/speaking etc... so therefore, different approaches will suit different people. Anyway, the way I see it, there have been people who have succeeded using a variety of methods. Neither way was wrong. There's more than one way to learn a language. In saying that, all of the same things would need to be covered (listening, speaking, writing, reading, grammar, etc) - but I imagine there are so many different combinations and approaches out there. Is it possible that this is just another way to approach language learning for a certain type of learner, or do you feel (& can you prove with documentation/studies) that there in fact are 'flaws' in the method? If people have succeeded using Krashen's approach, then I have trouble to understand how it can be so 'wrong'... Perhaps you could pinpoint the exact 'flaws' you see with the approach (with evidence) and it could spark one of our more experienced language learners to respond? Edited by Katie on 01 August 2009 at 2:36am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6245 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 43 of 81 01 August 2009 at 8:31am | IP Logged | |||||
That's a very good point. Then again, most native speakers of German know the gender of most nouns and can effortlessly flex their native grammar muscle. A non-native language learner can score at C2 level in comprehension but then fail somewhere else. Some language learners may appear to have good active skills but what comes out is garbage. As long as he can make himself understood - he'll likely impress others more than a silent guy shooting one-liners. If impressing others (or simple communication within a reasonable time frame) is important, then obviously one should try speaking very early. I believe you understand what passive vs active means but you want to make a point and we're supposed to again read between the lines. Edited by reineke on 01 August 2009 at 10:00am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ashley_Victrola Senior Member United States Joined 5504 days ago 416 posts - 429 votes Speaks: English* Studies: French, Romanian | Message 45 of 81 01 August 2009 at 9:23am | IP Logged | |||||
Yeah, that's true. I think people are more impressed that someone can rattle off the latest French argot than that I can read literature in it. I am always putting out written output in my target langs. but often not verbal so while I know what to say, it's difficult to say it quickly. So even though I understand a lot, it's been taking...me...forever to speak because I don't do it often. Otherwise it comes out too fast. In a weird way I don't mind it though because at least I know the info's there. If I had to, I could talk and I'd probably pick up speed through daily practice. Definitely doesn't fall under zero output but definitely falls under the "wait until you know exactly what you're saying to say it" umbrella. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| LiquidTester Diglot Newbie United States Joined 5588 days ago 28 posts - 32 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Czech | Message 46 of 81 01 August 2009 at 10:06am | IP Logged | |||||
You may claim to learn quickly, but you haven't even learned English well. A Chinese woman screaming at you in a thick accent "Tea Wanta?" is perfectly understandable. Yet, some of us may have higher aspirations. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6245 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 47 of 81 01 August 2009 at 7:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
I can thankfully distinguish your pearls of wisdom from the stuff you like to plagiarize. Considering some recent information you were kind enough to provide, your own (very substantial) posts from more than a year ago should read "why walk when you can crawl". 1 person has voted this message useful |
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