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| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 6813 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes  Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 57 of 81 02 August 2009 at 12:39am | IP Logged | |||||
I haven't got time to spend deleting half the posts in this thread so please return to the topic or the thread will be deleted.
No you're not ;) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| eoinda Tetraglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 5746 days ago 101 posts - 113 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, Spanish, Mandarin Studies: French | Message 59 of 81 02 August 2009 at 8:56pm | IP Logged | |||||
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If no one minds I'll get back on topic now.
I would just like to say that what matters most probably isn't the method but the time and dedication. The more you hear and study a language the more proficient in it you'll become. Some methods might get you fluent faster than others and that is interesting for everyone dedicated to language learning but you can't discard any method as completely as healing332 does. After all the Krashen-method does get you in contact with the target language (= teaching you something)and if some students feel comfortable with it the then fine. Edited by eoinda on 02 August 2009 at 8:58pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6245 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 60 of 81 02 August 2009 at 9:09pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Digressions and arguments are natural. Sometimes a discussion may get out of hand but
threads often die because of a bunch of useless holier-than-thou comments about how things had "degenerated" etc. It's a way of muzzling people without having to come up with good counterarguments. Asher ("Total Physical Response Approach") recommends an initial silent period of approximately 10-20 classroom hours. Krashen and Terrell (“Natural Approach") recommend a silent period of 10-12 classroom hours. Krashen later offers the advice that a “safe procedure is simply not to force production and let the student decide when to start talking”. Krashen has plenty of other ideas about language production. "Speaking is the result of language acquisition, not its cause." ALG (Automatic language growth) people recommend a silent period of between 600 to 800 hours of instruction. The ALG program requires about two thousand hours of instruction for Thai. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6473 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 61 of 81 02 August 2009 at 9:51pm | IP Logged | |||||
I agree. Time, dedication, intensity and motivation are the most important factors. You can read: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=10024&KW=time 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6245 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 62 of 81 02 August 2009 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
That's a terrible thread,especially if you're trying to convince someone to agree with your point of view. The only thing of note there is how the thread starts and how it ends. I personally like this one better: "There is no substitute for simply spending time using the language. ... Our experience at FSI indicates unequivocally that the amount of time spent in reading, listening to, and interacting in the language has a close relationship to the learner’s ability to learn to use that language professionally." link Edited by reineke on 02 August 2009 at 10:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6473 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 63 of 81 03 August 2009 at 12:12am | IP Logged | |||||
I am surprised. Eventually you have read the article !! *:O) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| reineke Senior Member United States https://learnalangua Joined 6245 days ago 851 posts - 1008 votes Studies: German | Message 64 of 81 03 August 2009 at 12:41am | IP Logged | |||||
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I was aware of it for a long time. We actually see eye-to-eye on many things,
unfortunately your eyes point in different directions. Edited by reineke on 03 August 2009 at 12:42am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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