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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5806 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes  Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 33 of 49 03 October 2009 at 7:36am | IP Logged | |||||
I'm sorry, but if you are not interested in the internal processes then you are not interested in whether they are genuinely the same.
No, I'm definitely interested in gaining insight into language learning, and that involves discussing the issue. You are merely redefining your premises until they fit your conclusion. Incidentally, that children learn from "comprehensible input" is not proven. There are many cultures in the world where parents do not engage in tuned "baby talk", and in fact adults do not talk to their children until the children themselves start to talk, yet the children do learn to talk. As someone was saying earlier, if we don't know or can't agree on how children learn, how can we copy it? 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5806 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 34 of 49 03 October 2009 at 7:38am | IP Logged | |||||
Children don't learn effortlessly -- they suffer frustration and take temper tantrums because they can't say what they want to say. It's not a painless process. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Lingua Decaglot Senior Member United States Joined 5371 days ago 186 posts - 319 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Danish, French, Norwegian, Portuguese, Dutch | Message 35 of 49 03 October 2009 at 8:55am | IP Logged | |||||
Good luck with that.
I'm not interested in discussing this issue further with you. You've obviously made up your mind that I'm wrong, and it's also obvious that nothing is going to change your mind. I've been studying language learning for over two decades, I've read hundreds of studies on second language acquisition, I've learned several languages to an advanced or near-native level, I've observed hundreds of language learners, and I have very successfully taught many people to speak a language. I've thought about language learning almost every day for the last twenty years. It has been an obsession, and there is nothing that I've wanted more to understand. I find it implausible that you know more about language learning than I do, you have not helped me to gain further insight into language learning, and you are not going to learn anything from me, so further discussion is futile. This is my last post. 11 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5806 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 36 of 49 03 October 2009 at 1:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
No -- I'd say that it's you that's made up your mind. I have firm beliefs and when people genuinely challenge them, they change. You haven't tried to convince me, you've just told me that I'm wrong and that you know better. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6234 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 37 of 49 03 October 2009 at 2:14pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Rather, you two talked past each other until Lingua lost her patience. She's not the first to do so, and I don't blame her in the slightest.
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| Ajijic10 Diglot Senior Member Mexico Joined 6710 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish | Message 38 of 49 03 October 2009 at 5:05pm | IP Logged | |||||
I totally agree. It would truly be a shame if we lose a poster as qualified as Lingua due to the obstinacy and pettiness of a single poster. I hope she chooses to ignore him (I usually do) and keep contributing to the forum. 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| datsunking1 Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5380 days ago 1014 posts - 1533 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: German, Russian, Dutch, French | Message 39 of 49 03 October 2009 at 5:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Take it easy everyone, we're all here for the same reason :)
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| simonov Senior Member Portugal Joined 5384 days ago 222 posts - 438 votes Speaks: English | Message 40 of 49 03 October 2009 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | |||||
I too agree. And also chose to ignore him, as my posts get deleted if I do not. What really bugs me is that it seems I voted for Cainntears last message. By mistake, how could I? I could not believe my eyes when it said: "You have already voted for this post". I was not even drunk when I voted, I never drink during the day. There is no way to un-vote I suppose?
Yes, to learn languages or help others learn, not to dissect and find fault with everything other people say. Most methods, textbooks, teachers, Krashen, Birkenbihl, they all come in for heavy criticism. That is allright, they are not actual members of this forum. Criticizing members is called flaming and therefore taboo. I wonder why, if they deserve it? 5 persons have voted this message useful |
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