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| g.polskov Triglot Newbie Canada Joined 5038 days ago 37 posts - 50 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 65 of 80 10 July 2010 at 4:31pm | IP Logged | ||
That is the thing. I felt the post was more towards those whose native language was English, but I feel it is even more frustrating when it is not. I've seen occurences where as well I thought I was doing people I was hanging out with a favour to let them practice their English, but they were insulted when they found out I could speak better Spanish than their English and that I let them struggle. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Sprachprofi Nonaglot Senior Member Germany learnlangs.comRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6256 days ago 2608 posts - 4866 votes  Speaks: German*, English, French, Esperanto, Greek, Mandarin, Latin, Dutch, Italian Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written), Swahili, Indonesian, Japanese, Modern Hebrew, Portuguese | Message 66 of 80 10 July 2010 at 5:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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Some very good thoughts in this thread.
I often unconsciously switch back to English even when I know that people would like to practise German. I'm often unaware of which language I'm speaking, because both English and German are a huge part of my life. So far, I always blamed it on habit, and being in the habit of speaking English to a certain person probably does enter the equation when looking at which language I'll speak when first seeing them in the morning. However, I also realized that accent and the other person's perceived level of comfort play a big role. For example, I should probably be in the habit of speaking Esperanto with Benny (irishpolyglot), but I find it very easy to keep talking German because his accent is neutral and he looks very comfortable speaking German. When he looks for a word, I tell him and then continue in German. On the other hand, seeing other people looking for a word I may tell them and then unconsciously continue in English. There are even people with whom I've technically spent more hours speaking German, but the urge is still there to switch because of their accent or their unease, even if their vocabulary is much bigger than Benny's and I know they can express virtually anything in German. Edited by Sprachprofi on 10 July 2010 at 5:48pm 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| g.polskov Triglot Newbie Canada Joined 5038 days ago 37 posts - 50 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Portuguese | Message 67 of 80 11 July 2010 at 5:02am | IP Logged | ||
I think you would agree with me you are not a typical sample though. Those who insist on English are not necessarily those with the best English in town, if you want my opinion... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Romanist Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5068 days ago 261 posts - 366 votes Studies: Italian | Message 68 of 80 14 July 2010 at 1:26am | IP Logged | ||
It's difficult to generalize. Most people who answer back in English probably do mean well, and probably do think that they are being helpful. It is important to remember this. But let's be frank: there are also some people out there who tend to address all foreigners in a rather arrogant and patronizing kind of way. Pointedly and insistently answering back in broken English is certainly a part of that. In countries like France, Germany and Holland, there may sometimes be undercurrents of mild racism too - there is almost a kind of feeling that a person is not really "worthy" to speak the language unless he/she ticks the right boxes... (Of course, such people are in a fairly small minority - but unfortunately they do exist.) Edited by Romanist on 14 July 2010 at 1:29am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5194 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 69 of 80 14 July 2010 at 3:48am | IP Logged | ||
That's a good point although I have a little twist on it. My gf is Japanese, and definitely speaks English with a Japanese accent. When she's in the Seattle area (where there are many Asians) she doesn't run into too many problems communicating with native English speakers and they seem to understand her fine. When she moved to a smaller town in Oregon to go to school, however, she noticed immediately that the folks there have a much harder time understanding her accent, almost to the point where she refuses to talk on the phone to locals there. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| administrator Hexaglot Forum Admin Switzerland FXcuisine.com Joined 7162 days ago 3094 posts - 2987 votes 12 sounds Speaks: French*, EnglishC2, German, Italian, Spanish, Russian Personal Language Map | Message 70 of 80 14 July 2010 at 7:20pm | IP Logged | ||
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I was in Rome on the week end, wearing a cap and large camera around the neck, you bet people in shops and restaurants tried their English on me. No problem, every time I would say with a large smile "Ah ma Lei parla veramente beeeeene l'inglese" - and almost every time all people in attendance burst out laughing and we continued in Italian.
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| markchapman Diglot Groupie Taiwan tesolzone.com/ Joined 5258 days ago 44 posts - 55 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: Portuguese | Message 71 of 80 18 July 2010 at 7:26am | IP Logged | ||
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Everyone who has ever learnt a language has probably had this problem. As has been said earlier, get your own
level of language to a good enough level so people can respect your ability in it enough to speak to you - i.e. get better at the language you are studying than they are in English. Hire a tutor, or go and spend time in the countryside. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| tracker465 Senior Member United States Joined 5138 days ago 355 posts - 496 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish, Dutch | Message 72 of 80 18 July 2010 at 7:50am | IP Logged | ||
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Sometimes I have to wonder though if some speakers just don't perceive one's level to be high enough, based on stereotypes. For instance, my one university German professor is from America, and has a decent German accent, and he says that sometimes when visiting Germany, people answer back in English, to the point where he is speaking German to them while they are answering in English. Now this guy has several degrees in German, and has been studying it for 10+ years. He believes that his experiences stem from the fact that he is American, a country which is notorious for not learning other languages well.
On another note (maybe I mentioned it earlier), I remember getting into an argument with a Turkish bartender at a trainstation in Germany, because despite me speaking with him in German, he would always speak to me in English. I just refused to listen to him and told him I didn't understand English, until he finally started speaking in German then. I believe that when in Germany, speak as the Germans speak. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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