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| Tyr Senior Member Sweden Joined 5585 days ago 316 posts - 384 votes  Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish | Message 9 of 20 02 November 2010 at 12:43pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
1: Yeah. Normally in English people would just use a indefinite you but this is technically a bit incorrect and odd sounding. Like you're telling a person they want to do something you want to do. Learning of man made me realise one fits so much better. 2: Its hard to explain...but in Swedish you have far more jag vill, vill jag variation whilst in English want I is really rather archaic. I've started using outdated though still technically correct word order on occasion. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| ReneeMona Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5138 days ago 864 posts - 1274 votes Speaks: Dutch*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 10 of 20 02 November 2010 at 2:55pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thankfully, the influence of English on my native language has not been so strong that it has affected my syntax or grammar. I mostly have problems with my vocabulary. Very often when I'm having a discussion about something I don't regularly talk about, English words for things come up instead of the Dutch ones and I have to translate my thoughts as I'm speaking, resulting in halted speech and somewhat unnatural Dutch. I also have trouble remembering very basic words sometimes because I find that as soon as I have the word for something in my head in one language, I have great difficulty remembering the word for it in the other language. This is all very annoying and it depresses me to think that I've gotten myself into a situation where I'm not fully articulate in either Dutch or English.
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| tritone Senior Member United States reflectionsinpo Joined 5923 days ago 246 posts - 385 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Spanish, Portuguese, French | Message 11 of 20 02 November 2010 at 7:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Studying romance languages has changed my perception of what "real" English words are, as opposed to french or latin borrowed words. I find myself trying to avoid using too many words that are obviously french, and incorporating more uncommon english English words into my spoken/written vocabulary without sounding too weird.
Example: Friend of mine - "Has anyone ever told you that you look like Will Smith?" Me - "Yes, sundry other folk have told me that." 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Siberiano Tetraglot Senior Member Russian Federation one-giant-leap.Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6296 days ago 465 posts - 696 votes Speaks: Russian*, English, ItalianC1, Spanish Studies: Portuguese, Serbian | Message 12 of 20 02 November 2010 at 9:39pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I started cyrillizing and declining the borrowed words and proper names more, in order to enrich my native language. And started seeing it very bad when people insert anglicisms in written Russian: this is both inconvenient to switch the layouts, and looks like not washing or ironing one's clothes.
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| B-Tina Tetraglot Senior Member Germany dragonsallaroun Joined 5330 days ago 123 posts - 218 votes Speaks: German*, English, French, Polish | Message 13 of 20 03 November 2010 at 12:52am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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I encountered a negative effect in a way that my vocabulary in my native language started to reduce - I think this might be due to the fact that most of the books I read by now are written in a foreign language (english for the most part). In order to prevent this I try to pick up a book written or at least decently translated into German from time to time, preferably some classics.
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| reneezelf Triglot Newbie Germany Joined 5020 days ago 6 posts - 7 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, German Studies: Spanish, French, Polish | Message 14 of 20 05 November 2010 at 10:45am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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My native language is Dutch and I live in Germany.
Because of the fact that German and Dutch are so closely related, I often translate phrases too literally into my mother tongue. Recently I told my (dutch) mother "ik heb veel om de oren", meaning "ich habe viel um die Ohren" (I´m up to my ears with work). Unfortunately in Dutch this doesn´t make any sense. This happens a lot to me! And also my pronounciation in Dutch is influenced by German, but this is just at the beginning. When I speak Dutch for more than an hour, it disappears. I even notice a German accent, when I speak English, which I hate! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5137 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 15 of 20 05 November 2010 at 12:06pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I know that a lot of the Norwegian immigrants to the US kept a very old fashioned use of their mother tongue. Part of it is to be expected, because when you leave for another country and stay there, you do not take part in the modernization which goes on in your homeland. But I do suspect that they were slightly old fashioned in their choice of words, even beyond what could be explained by this. Perhaps you have an unconsciuos longing for your home which taranslates into a a more archaic use of the language. If my theory is correct (and I stress that this is just my theory, I cannot back it up by research, or by studies done) it is not exactly the foreign language itself which would cause this effect, but a longing for your home. Hence it would not be able to find that particular trait in the foreign language you are surrounded by, but it would still be the indirect cause. Am I making any sense, or does this just sound like gibberish? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| pineappleboom Groupie United States languageloft-ashley. Joined 5056 days ago 66 posts - 76 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Japanese, French, Russian | Message 16 of 20 09 November 2010 at 10:23pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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i sometimes mix up word order. its rare but it has happened. i accidently speak with sov instead of svo
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