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| Solfrid Cristin Heptaglot Winner TAC 2011 & 2012 Senior Member Norway Joined 5145 days ago 4143 posts - 8864 votes  Speaks: Norwegian*, Spanish, Swedish, French, English, German, Italian Studies: Russian | Message 9 of 36 05 November 2010 at 11:44am | IP Logged | ||
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If you use your native R in Norwegian you would sound American - not quite sure that I am willing to qualify that as stupid though :-).
I know only 1-2 Americans who can pronounce Norwegian properly anyhow. The R is obviously the biggest obstacle, but there are so many other parts that seem to be difficult too. For some reason the Brits seem to manage better - whether that is will or talent I do not know. Edited by Solfrid Cristin on 05 November 2010 at 11:49am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6040 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 10 of 36 06 November 2010 at 1:25am | IP Logged | ||
C'mon!!! You can do the rolled R! 1. relax your tongue 2. spread your upper and lower teeth slightly 3. put the flat part of your tongue (just behind the tip) against your hard palate just above where your upper teeth hit your gums 4. say grrrrrr or brrrrrr or purrrrr - but keep your tongue relaxed and against the palate as the sound vibrates between them 5. there you go you just did a perfect rolled r!! Practice! You'll get it! 8 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| ReneeMona Diglot Senior Member Netherlands Joined 5146 days ago 864 posts - 1274 votes Speaks: Dutch*, EnglishC2 Studies: French | Message 11 of 36 06 November 2010 at 2:44am | IP Logged | ||
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Some dialects of Dutch have an r that sounds quite similar to the American one but I can't say I recommend it. I think it makes the speaker sound rather stupid and annoying.
An American R stands out rather clearly in Dutch but it's not necessarily a bad thing. I think Dutch with an American accent sounds quite cute. And having an accent in Dutch seems to be unavoidable anyway. I don't think I've ever met a non-native who spoke Dutch with a perfect accent. Even one of my relatives' American husband who has been living here for at least 20 years still has a very distinct accent. Edited by ReneeMona on 09 November 2010 at 1:44pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Vos Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 5377 days ago 766 posts - 1020 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Dutch, Polish | Message 12 of 36 06 November 2010 at 7:11am | IP Logged | ||
As is it hard to lose the Dutch accent once you've acquired it. Granted I'm refering to my family here, but they've been living in Australia for 40 years now and still pronounce a 'w' as a 'v', still rolls their r's on occasion, v's are still soft and f like, and they still have that overall 'Dutch' sound. Dutch seems to be a very strong and noticeable accent, atleast when it's combined with the English language. Although when I've heard Dutch people speak french, atleast to my ears, it seems as though it's much less obvious, if not completely gone. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| thephantomgoat Groupie United States Joined 5282 days ago 52 posts - 103 votes | Message 13 of 36 06 November 2010 at 10:50am | IP Logged | ||
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I, like you, could produce the tap but not the full-on rolled "r" in Spanish. This lasted
five years. (To add insult to injury, everyone else in my family could roll their r's-- but didn't necessarily need to because they weren't learning Spanish--and walked around the house rrrr-ing non-stop to rub it in.) But I compensated with the German "r" during this time, and after years' worth of trying, I produced "rr" like I wanted. There's definitely hope. ^^ As far as other languages that have the same "r" sound as English, none come to mind...English has a very distinctive, almost liquid "r" that I haven't encountered elsewhere. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Dylanarama Newbie United States Joined 5250 days ago 30 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English* | Message 14 of 36 06 November 2010 at 6:28pm | IP Logged | ||
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So would it be wise to keep learning the language even though I can not produce the rolled r? Or would that just wreck my pronunciation later on? (I am talking about Italian.)
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| Dylanarama Newbie United States Joined 5250 days ago 30 posts - 31 votes Speaks: English* | Message 15 of 36 06 November 2010 at 10:06pm | IP Logged | ||
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Also I can make a very odd type of tongue rolling, where it sounds like I am imitating a machine gun but there is also a hissing sound.When I do this it sounds rolled but I can not actually make an R mor like an S. Is this close? Should I keep trying?
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| mrwarper Diglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Spain forum_posts.asp?TID=Registered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5037 days ago 1493 posts - 2500 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2 Studies: German, Russian, Japanese | Message 16 of 36 07 November 2010 at 12:22am | IP Logged | ||
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I think there's no point in going over it again and again because no description of 'non-canonical' sounds ("what you hear when I try to do it") can be accurate enough; just try it with some real speaker(s) and let them say something. That, or leave a sound sample for us to hear.
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