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| HenryMW Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4983 days ago 125 posts - 179 votes  Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, French Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 49 of 64 20 December 2010 at 12:44am | IP Logged | |||||
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Letting people pay for the services they use is not an evil.
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| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5820 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 50 of 64 20 December 2010 at 12:54am | IP Logged | |||||
No, but the end result is that parents pay for the services, when it is the students that are the users. The student is therefore not at university purely on his own merits, but partly down to the good fortune to be born to well-off parents. That ain't right. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5227 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 51 of 64 20 December 2010 at 1:51am | IP Logged | |||||
Considering how I keep hearing from so many people that their biggest problem with the changes is that they will put off poorer people from going to university, I start to wonder if many of the protesters have looked at the full details. Many of my fellow students at my college have been very much up in arms about it but when I have a discussion about it I find that most haven't looked into it and didn't know about things like the reduction of the interest rate to zero for those earning <£41k and the increase of the threshold for paying back your fees to £21k from £15k. It just amazes me how few people seem to know the full details and have a serious knee- erk reaction against it. Most of those people I spoke to who I told about the change in the payment threshold and interest rate began to see the change as not being quite as bad as they thought. While I am sure many of the protesters do know the full details, I suspect a high number also don't, based on the conversations I have had with many students. I feel quite ambivalent towards the changes. I don't like the fact that the overall amount I will need to pay in the long run has increased but I feel like the sting isn't too bad when you consider the other changes made to the system that could be seen as an improvement. If people have looked at the full details and think it is a totally unnecessary change and a bad one at that, completely fair enough to them if they want to demonstrate. However it does irritate me when I see so many people having a very strong opinion about it who might perhaps go out and demonstrate without having investigated anything about it. Still, they have the right to do as they choose. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| jazzboy.bebop Senior Member Norway norwegianthroughnove Joined 5227 days ago 439 posts - 800 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Norwegian | Message 52 of 64 20 December 2010 at 2:00am | IP Logged | |||||
Just wondering where the parents come into it when nothing need be paid until the graduate is earning above a certain threshold and when the money is taken from their salary? I completely agree with you about the idea of having to pay fees up front is not a good thing. My parents can't afford to pay my fees up front but they won't have to, I will start paying the fees once I get an over £21k paying job. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| William Camden Hexaglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6081 days ago 1936 posts - 2333 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish, Russian, Turkish, French | Message 53 of 64 20 December 2010 at 12:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I went to university in the 1980s, when there were still outright grants for less well-off students, such as myself. Then student loans and tuition fees were brought in, and now the fees are to be increased dramatically. All in all, it is being made more and more difficult for the less well-off to afford higher education.
Some of the outrage which has brought students out is the perception that this latest turn of the screw is the work of a Conservative-led government headed up by people from wealthy families who never had to worry about the cost of education. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Juаn Senior Member Colombia Joined 5154 days ago 727 posts - 1830 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 54 of 64 20 December 2010 at 5:35pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Europeans believe that declaring a good a "human right" makes the inanimate earth spring up and materialize into whatever thing they desire. Their countries might be bankrupt, but to reduce benefits whose cost far outstrip revenues is considered an affront against all that is Good and Holy. They produce 10 apples and demand they be allowed to consume 20 - after all, it is their God-given right to be happy, damned be arithmetic.
Europe's wholesale denial of rationality is quite a spectacle to behold. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5820 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 55 of 64 20 December 2010 at 6:02pm | IP Logged | |||||
There is nothing irrational about recognising that there is no economic growth without economic investment. The net worth of graduates to society is greater than the cost. Or that should be the case. Implicit in the threshold for payback of loans is the admission that some degrees are not of great value. The problem is the existance of these so-called "Mickey Mouse" degrees. Replace them with a more appropriate means of vocational training and the funding problem will be ended. 4 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| palfrey Senior Member Canada Joined 5082 days ago 81 posts - 180 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 56 of 64 20 December 2010 at 6:24pm | IP Logged | |||||
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What is the situation in Scotland and Wales? Will they be able to avoid what England is going through? Or do some hard decisions lie ahead for them as well?
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