PaulLambeth Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5173 days ago 244 posts - 315 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Icelandic, Hindi, Irish
| Message 25 of 49 14 November 2011 at 2:22am | IP Logged |
gales87 wrote:
PaulLambeth wrote:
There's just no encouragement to learn a second language. It's introduced at about age 12 and you can drop it by 16 with just a C-grade pass if you want.
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Just a small correction: you start to learn a foreign language at age 11 and can drop it at 14 in British state schools. It hasn´t been obligatory at GCSE level for a few years now. |
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Seriously? Damn, I'm only just out of school ... since a few years ago. That's shocking. And yes, I forgot - first year of secondary school is age 11-12, that was a slipup.
Cainntear, I agree about the inertia comment. I suppose a change should happen school-by-school, like the gradual loss of grammar schools and the like, so perhaps HTLAL posters should team up and create a petition to teach Russian (or maybe even one of the expat community languages? Urdu? Panjabi? Arabic?) in "x" school in the UK. What say we?
Edited by PaulLambeth on 14 November 2011 at 2:24am
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Cavesa Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 4809 days ago 3277 posts - 6779 votes Speaks: Czech*, FrenchC2, EnglishC1 Studies: Spanish, German, Italian
| Message 26 of 49 14 November 2011 at 3:11am | IP Logged |
One person from Czech Republic already posted about Russian being taught apart from the big 4 (but at fewer schools)but I have as well heard of a school offering Italian as an option as well. And I believe a few schools in the north teach Polish, as it is close. And some give the same space to Latin (not only but mostly catholic schools from what I heard).
Other than that, some schools offer voluntary classes (at my school there were only such choices as Latin and Ancient Greek) or partially payed courses for whatever (from big languages not included in formal curriculum to less common and asian ones). But this varies a lot, many schools don't give such opportunitites at all.
The sad thing is that some politicians want to remove obligatory second foreign language from schools (leave it as an option and not too supported one probably), leave only English and the free hours put in more economy classes. Stupid fools.
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aanhetleren Newbie Australia Joined 4825 days ago 17 posts - 18 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, Swedish
| Message 27 of 49 14 November 2011 at 3:18am | IP Logged |
The most common in Australia are (kind of in order) French, Japanese, Mandarin, Italian, Indonesian and German. Also know of some schools teaching Modern Greek and Latin. Spanish is pretty rarely taught. Most high schools seem to teach one European language and one Asian and kids decide when they start at the school which one they'll take.
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FireViN Diglot Senior Member Brazil missaoitaliano.wordpRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5029 days ago 196 posts - 292 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishC2 Studies: Italian
| Message 28 of 49 14 November 2011 at 3:23am | IP Logged |
MarcusOdim wrote:
My grandpa took French, German, Italian and Latin at a catholic school when he was a teen. My cousins take Spanish
I had to study some English and Spanish at school a few years ago
Some private schools kinda offer both French and German too. Some cities in Brazil have a co-official language, German, Ukrainian, Guarani and Talian so they are possibly taught at school too
I've heard that in the state of Espírito Santo a few teens study Pomeranian (can't confirm though) but there is for sure a huge community and they still speak the language
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Let's take the position of a average brazilian, a person that can't afford an expensive private school. If I said everyone had multiple choices like your grandpa, I'd be telling a major lie.
Oh well, I've always studied at public schools, never had Spanish or any other option, my friends neither. I realize older people had French and sometimes Latin. My grandma had french when she was young, but assuming the general situation of education in Brazil, having Spanish AND English is probably luck. Private schools that offer anything other than Spanish are quite rare.
I wish I was born on these communities. Yeah, they probably offer a different language, but again, it's just too small compared to the rest of the country.
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PaulLambeth Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 5173 days ago 244 posts - 315 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Icelandic, Hindi, Irish
| Message 29 of 49 14 November 2011 at 5:15am | IP Logged |
aanhetleren wrote:
The most common in Australia are (kind of in order) French, Japanese, Mandarin, Italian, Indonesian and German. Also know of some schools teaching Modern Greek and Latin. Spanish is pretty rarely taught. Most high schools seem to teach one European language and one Asian and kids decide when they start at the school which one they'll take. |
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Bahasa Indonesia? Japanese? Mandarin? Ah to be raised in an English-speaking country so far from the dreariness of Indo-European languages.
Kidding of course; all my languages are Indo-European or derived creoles. But that's fantastic. Which did you pick, by the way? I studied French and German, continuing with French because most of the people didn't like the German teacher. Now I much prefer German and did it for a year of university. I wonder if the tables would've turned if it had been the other way round - if I'd continued with German and dropped French.
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Alexander86 Tetraglot Senior Member United Kingdom alanguagediary.blogs Joined 4781 days ago 224 posts - 323 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, German, Catalan Studies: Swedish
| Message 30 of 49 14 November 2011 at 9:23am | IP Logged |
Well, it goes without saying, but Welsh is taught across Wales =) Not quite the big four! I think we should have
more Russian, Chinese, Japanese, Hindi etc.
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aanhetleren Newbie Australia Joined 4825 days ago 17 posts - 18 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Dutch, Swedish
| Message 31 of 49 14 November 2011 at 11:16am | IP Logged |
PaulLambeth wrote:
aanhetleren wrote:
The most common in Australia are (kind of in order) French, Japanese, Mandarin, Italian, Indonesian and German. Also know of some schools teaching Modern Greek and Latin. Spanish is pretty rarely taught. Most high schools seem to teach one European language and one Asian and kids decide when they start at the school which one they'll take. |
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Bahasa Indonesia? Japanese? Mandarin? Ah to be raised in an English-speaking country so far from the dreariness of Indo-European languages.
Kidding of course; all my languages are Indo-European or derived creoles. But that's fantastic. Which did you pick, by the way? I studied French and German, continuing with French because most of the people didn't like the German teacher. Now I much prefer German and did it for a year of university. I wonder if the tables would've turned if it had been the other way round - if I'd continued with German and dropped French. |
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Lol. It's hardly a language learning utopia. My school offered French and Japanese. I chose French but had a really bad teacher so didn't continue after the compulsory 3 years, and I don't rembember anything. My brother did Japanese for ten years and can't remember anything. Languages aren't taken that seriously in schools here.
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SamD Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6459 days ago 823 posts - 987 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French Studies: Portuguese, Norwegian
| Message 32 of 49 15 November 2011 at 3:16pm | IP Logged |
Many Italian-Americans live in my part of the United States, and several high schools offer Italian. However, most of them don't offer Italian for a full four years.
Few schools offer German, and fewer schools offer Latin. Spanish is the dominant foreign language, and French is a rather distant second. One school in my area offers Mandarin Chinese.
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