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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6235 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes  Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 57 of 69 08 January 2012 at 12:49pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
I don't expect Benny will hit C1, and I'm certainly not calling for people to stop saying so. I agree with some criticisms of Benny; I have no grounds to agree with most, as I mainly tune both him and the criticisms of him out. I'm specifically asking Cainntear to lay off, because I find how he implicitly wants to change Benny and his goals to be particularly obnoxious. I see no potential value to Benny or the forum in it, it's tedious to read, and it's annoying Benny. Benny makes progress over 3 months. Does it inspire some people? Sure. Do his overblown claims annoy others? Sure. Is there any reason to give him condescending rants filled with bad analogies? Dunno, I haven't found one. 14 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| hribecek Triglot Senior Member Czech Republic Joined 5145 days ago 1243 posts - 1458 votes Speaks: English*, Czech, Spanish Studies: Italian, Polish, Slovak, Hungarian, Toki Pona, Russian | Message 58 of 69 08 January 2012 at 1:57pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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Personally I'd like to see Benny come back and continue to post here and it's so annoying to read all the negativity against him.
Can't the negativity wait until after the mission? For now I want him to be able to use all of his energy and enthusiasm for his very interesting mission and not have it sapped by all the negativity here. 7 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| leosmith Senior Member United States Joined 6346 days ago 2365 posts - 3804 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Tagalog | Message 59 of 69 08 January 2012 at 2:10pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
reach C1 in 3 months would be one of the most impressive language learning feats ever. There is a lot to gain from it, so the few words he gave regarding what he knew before are appreciated.
no editing. This is very different from what he is planning suggested. And I’m not insisting on choosing the speaker myself. Maybe having one of his Chinese followers provide a friend who has some experience with interviewing, but has never met him.
Why on earth would that be boring? It’s what he’ll use to truly assess the level he achieved in his 3 month experiment. I would find it very interesting.
Since it sounds like he’s admitting his pronunciation was terrible, I’m not going to dig up the posts where he claimed to be well understood, and gave himself a high overall rating in Thai.
It happens to be the truth. I have some techniques that will blow away the language learning community. But I’m going to pilot and document them myself, and make a profit from them.
You’re welcome. But I’ll say it again, because I doubt you will pay attention. If you don’t make a really hard effort on pronunciation, much much harder than you did with Thai, you will get nowhere. No C1. No B2. No B1. No A2. That’s how important it is, and that's why I think you'll fail. 8 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| Cainntear Pentaglot Senior Member Scotland linguafrankly.blogsp Joined 5807 days ago 4399 posts - 7687 votes Speaks: Lowland Scots, English*, French, Spanish, Scottish Gaelic Studies: Catalan, Italian, German, Irish, Welsh | Message 60 of 69 08 January 2012 at 2:30pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
I'm well aware I'm not going to change Benny. As I said before:
I don't want to change Benny's goals, but I find Benny's writing to be very dangerous.
It's all well and good that Benny inspires people, but unfortunately in doing so, he projects an unrealistic and incomplete picture of the language learning process. He talks about a couple of variables and promotes them as though they are the core of all language learning. The effect this has on his readers is evident from their comments on his blog, but Benny continually denies it. As for bad analogies, OK, let's drop the analogy, and go for a simple, universal truth, accepted in almost every sphere: Just because you can do something well, doesn't mean you can teach it. Benny is a great language learner -- very, very few can match what he does -- but that doesn't automatically mean that he can teach anyone else to learn languages. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| hrhenry Octoglot Senior Member United States languagehopper.blogs Joined 4926 days ago 1871 posts - 3642 votes Speaks: English*, SpanishC2, ItalianC2, Norwegian, Catalan, Galician, Turkish, Portuguese Studies: Polish, Indonesian, Ojibwe | Message 61 of 69 08 January 2012 at 4:52pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
Seems mutually exclusive. I've only been a member of this forum for a year and change, but I don't think I've ever seen Benny really participate in HTLAL, other than to either defend himself or to announce something about his mission. I've never seen him participate in any other kind of discussion since I've become a member. I wonder if that contributes at all to some of the negativity he gets around here. R. == 5 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4511 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 62 of 69 08 January 2012 at 6:59pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
It also doesn't mean he can't. ;) Stop being so negative, people! It doesn't help you, him and specially the other forum members that are reading this stupid discussion. 6 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| Splog Diglot Senior Member Czech Republic anthonylauder.c Joined 5465 days ago 1062 posts - 3263 votes Speaks: English*, Czech Studies: Mandarin | Message 63 of 69 08 January 2012 at 8:27pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
Negativity is a slippery concept. In the following exchange, who is being negative? A: I am going to learn Mandarin in two years to a B2 level. B: There is no way it takes two years. I can reach C1 in Mandarin 3 months. A: I don't believe you. There are no examples of people achieving that, but there are plenty of people who worked hard over two years and did reach B2. B: Don't be so negative. To me, B is the negative person here: downplaying the fact that Mandarin is an extremely different language, and being negative towards people who say it takes years of effort to achieve great results. It is important that we do not confuse wishful thinking with being positive. After all, I am quite positive that C1 in 3 months is wishful thinking. 10 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||||||||||||||
| fabriciocarraro Hexaglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member Brazil russoparabrasileirosRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4511 days ago 989 posts - 1454 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, EnglishB2, Italian, Spanish, Russian, French Studies: Dutch, German, Japanese | Message 64 of 69 08 January 2012 at 8:58pm | IP Logged | |||||||||||||||||
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@Splog I wouldn't say you're wrong, but my point is... why keep up with all these "No one can do it", "Your C1 is less than mine", etc, while we could be supportive, ask him about his methods and wish him "good luck"?
I even said here that I doubt he is going to achieve C1 in just 3 months, but while he's doing it, focusing so much on this project, I'll always be supportive! 6 persons have voted this message useful |
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