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| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4527 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 41 of 84 07 October 2012 at 9:00pm | IP Logged | ||
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Do my sh's sound too much like s's?
What about my vowels? Nasality? Aspiration after consonants? I think I added English style stress to "yukkuri", but did I do that elsewhere, too? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5191 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 42 of 84 07 October 2012 at 9:24pm | IP Logged | ||
Yes, shi sounds like si and chi like tsi. Work on this first. Sometimes, in words like subete, the unstressed vowel that follows the "accented" one (so BE in this case) is reduced as it would be in English. Nasality seems fine. Aspiration seems generally ok. You use ano a lot, but I'm sure you're aware of this and this will sort itself out over time. I noticed that you often pause before adding -wo. This is not something native speakers usually, as they are more likely to repeat the noun and add wo. As a general suggestion, I would suggest you work at the phrase or word group level -- things like "kanpeki na hatsuon de hanashitai kara" form one unit of meaning and shouldn't be chopped. You actually did that one well, but look a little further ahead to the end of the phrase and repeat yourself however many times you need to. There shouldn't pauses between nouns and particles, for instance. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4527 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 43 of 84 07 October 2012 at 9:39pm | IP Logged | ||
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Thanks for your help. Actually, I was trying to imitate this thing I hear natives do: instead of saying あの and ええと a lot, they simply use the final vowel of the previous word. So it's like, あの学校で[pause]えええ・・・学生たちが[pause]あああ・・・. If I pause before the particles it's unintentional.
If feel a lot better now that I know I won't have to change my vowels. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5191 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 44 of 84 07 October 2012 at 9:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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I've heard lengthening the vowel like gakkou deeeee, but not with a pause!
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| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4527 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 45 of 84 07 October 2012 at 10:17pm | IP Logged | ||
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7DqvlxvFiM
12 seconds in: にっぽんは、あ自衛隊は 21 sec: 実施していくと、お言うことで 33: 先発隊が、ああ出発を、おしたと 1:37: 橋だとか、あるいは、ああ道路 1:59: 新しい、いい基準のもとに 2:10: 管理のもとにある人たちの、おお守るため I couldn't find an example where they do it after a word ending in "u" in this clip. This phenomenon seems common, so I don't think it's the case that these two guys have a special, non-toukyou accent. I wish someone had told about this because it used to cause me to mistake where the beginning of the next word is. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5191 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 46 of 84 07 October 2012 at 10:31pm | IP Logged | ||
He uses a vowel as a filler, i, e, a or o, as you pointed out, but it's a lot more random than you seem to point out. At 1:57, he ends in ne, then goes on to use e as a filler 3 times even though the vowel e never ended another word. To me, the take-home message is that the filler or hesitation vowel is not the same as in English, and the preceding vowel may have some influence on which vowel the speaker chooses, but I certainly wouldn't recommend you systematically try to match your filler vowel to that of the previous word! Actually, work on reducing fillers altogether instead. Note also that the vowel is very short and unintentional, and doesn't have the same function as eto or ano which fill a much larger gap. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Hiiro Yui Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 4527 days ago 111 posts - 126 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese | Message 47 of 84 07 October 2012 at 11:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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I interpret that "ee" filler as the short version of "eeto". When other vowels are used as fillers it seems to regularly match the previous vowel because, I think, the speaker is keeping his mouth in the same position during the pause. This type of filler is more common in some speakers than in others, and I know to mix things up every now and again with eeto and ano. When I get better at speaking fluidly, of course I won't rely on fillers as much. For now I want to concentrate on fixing my pronunciation and accent.
Just for the sake of completeness, I managed to find an "u" here at 13:24 沖縄の地元に良く、う活動しておった These guys apparently love this type of filler. Just one more point. "Note also that the vowel is very short and unintentional, and doesn't have the same function as eto or ano which fill a much larger gap." The guy speaking at 1:41 can be heard throughout the video using long ones, and I also see that there is never a pause between these fillers and the following word. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Arekkusu Hexaglot Senior Member Canada bit.ly/qc_10_lec Joined 5191 days ago 3971 posts - 7747 votes Speaks: English, French*, GermanC1, Spanish, Japanese, Esperanto Studies: Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Estonian | Message 48 of 84 07 October 2012 at 11:44pm | IP Logged | ||
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To me, this sounds very contrived. I'm not sure this is something a person would do in
more informal conversations. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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