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| JohannaNYC Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4245 days ago 251 posts - 361 votes  Speaks: Spanish*, English*, Italian Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Arabic (Egyptian) | Message 41 of 168 15 December 2012 at 9:45pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Woodsei, no specific requests from me, but whatever you find feel free to send it our
way. It's better to have too many resources than not enough. As for MSA vs the dialects I guess it depends on what one wants to do with the language. But for people with no preference then yes learning MSA first is probably best. I like HAP, I like all the names. Keeping the earlier food references we could be falafel, pita, hummus or something along those lines. Unless of course it's different in Persian and Hebrew. Yes, the German team has schnitzel, but we could join them with a humorous food reference. Maybe we could each pick our top 3 names and then if we can't agree set up a poll with the forerunners and have a name by the 21st the latest. My top 3 (in nor particular order) are: hummus, djinn and HAP. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| zecchino1991 Senior Member United States facebook.com/amyybur Joined 5051 days ago 778 posts - 885 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Italian, Modern Hebrew, Russian, Arabic (Written), Romanian, Icelandic, Georgian | Message 42 of 168 15 December 2012 at 9:59pm | IP Logged | |||||
No, orange in Hebrew is "tapuz." And people do say hafla in Hebrew, but it's not very common and I don't know about Persian. I like the food idea! 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 4966 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 43 of 168 15 December 2012 at 10:39pm | IP Logged | |||||
1) This discussion reminds me of a thread that I started some time back. Some interesting ideas and theories here: http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/f orum/forum_posts.asp?TID=29846&PN=3&TPN=1 2) Also, in other news... .إذهب إلى القاهرة اليوم!!! لا تكرهوني (Imma be in Cairo today. Don't hate on me.) 3) Friend is صديق in MSA. Friends is أصدقاء. Quite different from the Egyptian dialect. 4) I like HAP. It does sound happy. PS: Godparents and experienced Arabic learners, please feel free to correct my written Arabic. It's how I learn. Kinan used to do that on my old log and I hope she's doing fine. PPS: This team seems to be getting off to a great start!! Edited by strikingstar on 15 December 2012 at 10:59pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jappy58 Bilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 4431 days ago 200 posts - 413 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Guarani*, Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Maghribi), Arabic (Written), French, English, Persian, Quechua, Portuguese Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 44 of 168 15 December 2012 at 11:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'd like to share some solid resources for Persian:
Persian Grammar: For Reference and Revision A solid book on the grammar of Persian, though it may not be the most comprehensive it does well in explaining nonetheless. UT Austin has Persian Online, a good website with some audio. Easy Persian, mentioned earlier by another member, is excellent. These are good beginner's materials, IMO. I am still looking through some of my other materials. صاحب , BTW, is the singular form of أصحاب (asHaab), meaning "friend" and "friends" respectively in the Egyptian dialects (and some other dialects as well). If anyone wants to know some resources for dialects, I am willing to provide them, though it seems like most are indeed starting with MSA for now. My plan is to create a comprehensive thread listing resources (and advice) for Arabic (MSA and dialects), but I've been so busy lately that my progress has been slow on the project. 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Takato Tetraglot Senior Member HungaryRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4841 days ago 249 posts - 276 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, EnglishB2, GermanB2, Japanese | Message 45 of 168 15 December 2012 at 11:38pm | IP Logged | |||||
A Libyan man said to me "Anime are dubbed in MSA." Now, what about Arabic cartoons? Are they all dubbed in Libyan and other dialects? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Jappy58 Bilingual Super Polyglot Senior Member United States Joined 4431 days ago 200 posts - 413 votes Speaks: Spanish*, Guarani*, Arabic (Levantine), Arabic (Egyptian), Arabic (Maghribi), Arabic (Written), French, English, Persian, Quechua, Portuguese Studies: Modern Hebrew | Message 46 of 168 16 December 2012 at 1:31am | IP Logged | |||||
Most children's cartoons produced in the Arab country are in Modern Standard Arabic. Al-Jazeera is a prime example. In fact, it is often why Arab children are often among those most willing to speak MSA - and it is through cartoons that they often begin assimilating the "rules" of MSA. Other shows or movies that are often in MSA are those related to history or religion. Sitcoms and soaps, however, tend to be dialect-specific. Talk shows are interesting: hosts may lean towards standard Arabic, but mix in plenty of colloquial Arabic, while the guests almost always stick to their native dialect. Cooking shows are often in dialect as well. Many foreign films and shows (almost every genre) are indeed dubbed in MSA as well - for the most part. Sometimes Disney films and fantasy films are dubbed in dialect, however (such as Egyptian). As mentioned earlier, the vast majority of Turkish dramas are dubbed in Levantine. Historical dramas are almost always dubbed in MSA. EDIT: As many of you may already know, Egyptian and Levantine dominate the entertainment industries when it comes to films, TV, and music. Gulf Arabic is going strong however, and is becoming more international in popularity. Other dialects, however - such as the Maghrebi variants and Yemeni - are still not as international in popularity, unless it's between certain Maghreb countries. Edited by Jappy58 on 16 December 2012 at 1:35am 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Élan Senior Member United States Joined 5237 days ago 165 posts - 211 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Persian | Message 47 of 168 16 December 2012 at 2:14am | IP Logged | |||||
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I got a little lost in the name talk, but what words would you like to know in Persian? Pomegranate is "anar", orange
(fruit) is "portogal", and a party is a "mehmooni". I reviewed all of the easily available Persian textbooks and courses during the TAC a couple years ago, so I will dig up that thread and repost the reviews and my resource list for the Persian learners. I really like the HAP name with HAPpy participants. :) 2 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| JohannaNYC Bilingual Triglot Senior Member United StatesRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4245 days ago 251 posts - 361 votes Speaks: Spanish*, English*, Italian Studies: Croatian, Serbian, Arabic (Egyptian) | Message 48 of 168 16 December 2012 at 5:59am | IP Logged | |||||
Wow, this team is really HAPpening today ;)
You can't say that and not expect us to hate on you, LOL!!! Have a good trip and let us know how it went.
If you know of a textbook for Egyptian please let me know. Learning from various sources is great, but I like having some structure to my learning. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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