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| Takato Tetraglot Senior Member HungaryRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5046 days ago 249 posts - 276 votes  Speaks: Hungarian*, EnglishB2, GermanB2, Japanese | Message 1 of 26 17 December 2012 at 1:19pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hi (wo)men!
Just wanted to start my 2013 TAC log right here. These are the infos about me that I found useful sharing.  Arabic
Reason to learn: Reading from the right to the left seems cool. Writing no short vowels sounds interesting. Unique sounds are unique. Grammar is considered interesting (dual form for the win!). Level: absolute beginner (Zero knowledge) Aim: Conversational level (eg. everyday Arabic). Plan: 01.01 - 22.04 Learn one lesson of Kullu Tamam! per week.* 23.04 - 21.06 Learn one lesson of Teach Yourself Beginner's Arabic Script each four-days-long period of time. 22.06 - 25.10 Learn one lesson of Teach Yourself Arabic (published 1992) per week. 26.10 - 31.12 I leave it tractable, but I'll probably just watch anime with Arabic subtitles. If my father sets up the parabolic antenna pointing to a satellite which transmits Arabic TV channels then I might opt for that, at least on days I'm home (Friday-Sunday). Also, I intend to use some lyrics at some point or another.  Japanese
Reason to learn: I love watching anime so I thought it'd be a good idea to learn Japanese. Level: false beginner (No ability to produce Japanese. Able to comprehend 100 words written or said) Aim: Understanding of slice of life anime to a pleasant degree (e.g. 70%). Plan: Watch one episode of anime per week.  Mandarin
Reason to learn: I love hanzi and tones so I thought it'd be a good idea to learn Mandarin. Level: false beginner (No ability to produce Mandarin. Able to comprehend 1000 characters. No ability to understand spoken Mandarin) Aim: Understanding of slice of life anime to a pleasant degree (e.g. 70%). Plan: Watch one episode of Chinese subtitled anime per week. Listen to two Slow Chinese podcasts a week and learn the scripts by heart, recording myself saying them. Watching Chinese subtitled anime, detailed: 1. Make AnkiDroid cards of all unknows hanzi used in a subtitle (by creating a frequency list of the hanzi, then letting OpenOffice Calc add the meanings and the pronunciation on the back side of the card automatically). 2. Learn all unknown hanzi in AnkiDroid. 3. Watch the episode having the subtitle open in Firefox (which lets me use Perapera), and make AnkiDroid cards of all the unknown words which had to be looked up for making sense of them. 4. Learn all added words in AnkiDroid. I only try to retain the meaning of the hanzi, not the pronunciation. *The noted time interval is 16 weeks whereas Kullu Tamam! has 17 lessons. However, I will use a different book for learning the script (which the 17th lesson is about), as described above. Edited by Takato on 28 December 2012 at 2:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| yuhakko Tetraglot Senior Member FranceRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4630 days ago 414 posts - 582 votes Speaks: French*, EnglishB2, EnglishC2, Spanish, Japanese Studies: Korean, Norwegian, Mandarin | Message 2 of 26 18 December 2012 at 2:37am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Did you say "Hi 我们"?? Ok bad joke but anyway, good luck for this year, I'll be following
your struggle with Japanese and Mandarin (mostly)! Doing 3 beginner languages at the same time will probably be some challenge (especially considering the differences) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Jaseur Groupie United Kingdom Joined 6077 days ago 50 posts - 51 votes Speaks: English* | Message 3 of 26 19 December 2012 at 3:58pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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こんにちは！
同じチームだから、 質問があります。 ど のぐらい日本語できますか。 false beginner は どういう意味でしょうか。 初心者では ないでしょう。 アニメが分かりますか。 Hi Takato, Seeing as we're on the same team, I have some questions. What level is your Japanese? What does false beginner mean I wonder? I guess you are not a beginner. Do you understand anime? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Takato Tetraglot Senior Member HungaryRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5046 days ago 249 posts - 276 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, EnglishB2, GermanB2, Japanese | Message 4 of 26 20 December 2012 at 1:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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@Jaseur 日本語の勉強は三年前始まりました。 ｆａｌｓｅ ｂｅｇｉｎｎｅｒ は無という意味です。 アニメの分かりはまだまだですよ。 Edited by Takato on 21 December 2012 at 1:33pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| strikingstar Bilingual Tetraglot Senior Member United States Joined 5171 days ago 292 posts - 444 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin*, Cantonese, Swahili Studies: Spanish, Arabic (Written) | Message 5 of 26 20 December 2012 at 10:56am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thought I'd drop by to say Hi. Can't help you with Japanese, but if it's Mandarin you
need, I'm at your service. And we can struggle through Arabic together... :) 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| druckfehler Triglot Senior Member Germany Joined 4866 days ago 1181 posts - 1912 votes Speaks: German*, EnglishC2, Korean Studies: Persian | Message 6 of 26 20 December 2012 at 10:11pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hello double Team mate! :)
Good luck with your three languages! I'm really curious how you studied your 1000 Chinese characters. Also, do you have any study plans apart from watching animation? Not that I want to spoil your fun, but I think you'll make more progress (and in turn enjoy the animations more) if you include some grammar and vocabulary study. Edited by druckfehler on 20 December 2012 at 10:12pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Takato Tetraglot Senior Member HungaryRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5046 days ago 249 posts - 276 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, EnglishB2, GermanB2, Japanese | Message 7 of 26 21 December 2012 at 4:46pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Difference leaves no time for boredom. :) @yuhakko @strikingstar @druckfehler Thanks.
I studied like 200 kanji of the book Remembering the Kanji, then I did the following, alongside with RTK up to lesson 22 (640 kanji or so as a total): I downloaded a deck called "Mandarin Chinese - Very Basic" in Anki, put it to Mnemosyne, then to MnemoJojo (StupidPhone version of Mnemo) and learned it. I added hanzi appearing in Chinese subtitled anime one or two months later (trying to memorize them while adding them to the deck) and learned them (in AnkiDroid), then the deck grew big (1200 or 1400 characters) and I stopped using AnkiDroid. By the way watching a 21+3 minutes long episode (only the 21 minutes were of me learning Chinese because the other 3 minutes were just me watching the opening/ending with no actual study) initially took 6 hours, probably because I just added whatever hanzi with no real effort of me remembering what they meant in a word. Then I tried to remember the words as well, so I got better familiarized with them and I could watch an episode in just 4 hours. It's worth noting I never really learned the pronunciation part, only the meaning of the hanzi. (I might know the toneless pinyin of 100 hanzi.) Due to this, I had to write the unknown characters by hand (that's why I ordered a SmartPhone from China; to have a touchscreen phone with Pleco). Just to be clear, I love to write characters by hand because I think writing characters by hand is part of the language in both Chinese and Japanese. That's why I don't like JLPT too much; apparently, it doesn't test the writing of kanji at all.
I was planning to make a thorough first post next week, but it seems all (wo)men are posting in others' logs before the Unseen Horizon arrives (which is supposed to happen at 6 AM 22.12.2012 UK time), so as it came to this, here's the deal: I learned as much Japanese grammar as I could at the time (last year) but I still can't watch anime without subs, so I'm not sure learning grammar early on is the best choice. As for vocabulary, I've thought of it. I edited the first post so you can see it there. (I'll edit the non-Chinese part later.) Edited by Takato on 23 December 2012 at 4:36pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Takato Tetraglot Senior Member HungaryRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5046 days ago 249 posts - 276 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, EnglishB2, GermanB2, Japanese | Message 8 of 26 03 January 2013 at 6:48am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Arabic
I spent 2 h 8 min on the kullu tamam! book and haven't gotten to the first lesson yet. I was doing the introduction about the pronunciation and am currently trying to memorize the greetings (issalāmu ٤alēkum, ŝukṛan) and what not. Mandarin I did 35 minutes hanzi reps in Anki. It was mostly made up of reviewing them, not too many new hanzi so far (170 hanzi or so). I wanted to make the first update on the 7th, but I feel like I don't learn enough. I certainly haven't touched Japanese yet. When I want to make a small break in my learning, I end up with a 5 hours long break or so, and feeling that I'm not finished for today yet, I go to sleep at 7 AM, waking up with only 10 hours left of the day. The last time I learned the most in one day (on 14.8.2012, learning 10 hours with only a lunch break), I burned out (only learning 1 hour the next day, and not learning anything a week later). So I would be pleased to get some ideas about fixing that. Also, counting the study time is a bit troublesome, but some of you seem to be enjoying it. Is it okay if I don't count the time? 1 person has voted this message useful |
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