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| Isabliss_27 Diglot Groupie Brazil Joined 4542 days ago 68 posts - 74 votes  Speaks: Portuguese*, English Studies: German, Russian, Latin, French | Message 9 of 25 12 January 2013 at 2:32pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Ah, the winds of progress!
I finally started to study German, my focus for while. I'm very happy with the grammar I bought when I was travelling. Bookaholic as I am, bought twenty books, six or seven are learning material, such an old oxford Russian-English dictionary, a wonderful German-Portuguese one for university German students and translators, and an old Russian course focusing on reading and translation. By now I have already done 6 lessons of the Klipp und Klar, today I'll finally study the lesson covering the trenbare Verben, the separable verbs. It always bothered me the fact that in the brief German course I took at the uni the teacher only taught us one of them in four months. As for Russian, I'll see if I study the first lesson of the course today and tell how I like it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sunja Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5882 days ago 2020 posts - 2295 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 10 of 25 12 January 2013 at 2:41pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
classroom study is always slower, isn't it? I'm pacing myself to high school French books. I'm doing year 3/4 now. What would take a teacher a whole year to cover in class, takes me about three months (of course it takes longer if I start doing something else instead, which is what usually happens :p). 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Luso Hexaglot Senior Member Portugal Joined 5858 days ago 819 posts - 1812 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, French, EnglishC2, GermanB1, Italian, Spanish Studies: Sanskrit, Arabic (classical) | Message 11 of 25 12 January 2013 at 9:31pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I think it depends. Of course, if you want to pace yourself, a classroom is not the best choice. But there's no comparison between one semester or two in college and the systematic approach of a language school. I took 7 years of French and 3+1 of English in school, and I know how frustrating it was at times. That has nothing to do with my (also long) experience with language learning schools, which has been very rewarding. @ Isabelle: I apologise for replying to another member in your thread, but I believe it was on-topic. Edited by Luso on 12 January 2013 at 9:43pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Sunja Diglot Senior Member Germany Joined 5882 days ago 2020 posts - 2295 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, German Studies: French, Mandarin | Message 12 of 25 13 January 2013 at 2:33pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I meant to say that I'm using foreign language school books for French, but I'm studying completely on my own. I can pace myself better with high school foreign language materials than I can with materials for adult learners. I have to be careful because the material is geared for young learners, but the grammar is still the same. I'm afraid I don't have any experience with university-level classes. Edited by Sunja on 13 January 2013 at 2:37pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4419 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 13 of 25 13 January 2013 at 8:36pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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As a fellow bookaholic, I'm so envious of the interesting books you mentioned. I was surprised to hear your teacher spent so little time on the separable verbs. They are really very useful.
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| Isabliss_27 Diglot Groupie Brazil Joined 4542 days ago 68 posts - 74 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English Studies: German, Russian, Latin, French | Message 14 of 25 18 January 2013 at 4:30pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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@Luso No need to apologize. :)
@BAnna The teacher *had* to slow things down a lot. Many people had never tried to learn another language before and the process was very difficult to them. Another portion of them showed up in the class as they liked, so they missed valuable explanation and got themselves lost. When I realized it would be the same in Basic II classes I didn't even sign up for it. Yes, classroom study *is* slower, but for competitive students it's great to keep them motivated. ====== Russian I did the first lesson of the "Reading and Translating Comtemporary Russian". After the grammar section of each lesson, there are some exercises, which consist of reading a passage out loud and then translating it and writing the original down. There are also exercises to match pairs of words. The vocab in general is related to science and humanities. The text in lesson one is very simple, with sentences like "aтом сложный? Нет, атом не сложный." They gradually grow and by the fifth lesson the sentences are much more elaborated. For me the bad thing is that the vocab is presented in the beginning of the lesson and I have to go there every time I meet unknown words. I prefer parallel texts but in this case they're meaningless, since the purpose of the book is for the student to translate. Well, I can live with that. I watched The Irony of Fate (Ирония судьбы). Very, very funny film. I totally recomend it. Although I still don't have a good vocab, I could recognize lots of words. Time spent: 2,1 hours German I've done Klipp und Klar up to lesson 9. Untill now I don't have much problem understanding grammar, it's just the amount of vocab to absorb. This time I tried something different: When I meet a new word I look up its meaning and write it down in the book. After I finish the lesson and its correction I pick up some sentences with the vocab and write them down in a paper, some time later I put them in anki. Along with the color system (blue for masculine, red for feminine, green for neuter and purple for the verb I want to remember the meaning) I got better results than isolated words. Time spent: 9,4 hours English I'm just working on reading and watching TV series and films. No proper study done. Time spent: 10,2 hours ===== Total time spent: 21,7 hours. ===== Edited by Isabliss_27 on 18 January 2013 at 4:32pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| BAnna Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 4419 days ago 409 posts - 616 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Russian, Turkish | Message 15 of 25 20 January 2013 at 6:45pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Thanks so much for reminding me about Klipp & Klar. I found my copy from a while back and am reviewing stuff that continues to be challenging. I also found out there is a more advanced Klipp & Klar for C level, I think. I'm not quite ready for that at this point, but it's nice to know it's there when we do become ready for it.
Your description of your class rings true with my experience. Motivation is a huge factor. It also made me think of Goldilocks: mostly things are too hard or too soft, but rarely are they "just right". Even when they are, you might be making some bears mad at you! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Isabliss_27 Diglot Groupie Brazil Joined 4542 days ago 68 posts - 74 votes Speaks: Portuguese*, English Studies: German, Russian, Latin, French | Message 16 of 25 20 March 2013 at 3:37pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
I posted at Lang-8 and Italki my first text in German! :D
Here's a useful comment a user gave me:
---------------- Well, it's been quite a long time, and a lot of good things happened! I'm about to move on to another city, where I was accepted in another University. If my uni schedule turns out as I expect, I'll have French, English and Latin classes. As for German, soon I'll have established a proper studying routine, for while I'm just doing some on and off sessions with Teach Yourself. 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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