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| Papashaw1 Newbie Australia Joined 3842 days ago 30 posts - 35 votes | Message 65 of 73 12 November 2013 at 6:12pm | IP Logged | |||||
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To Tarvos: Isn't Dutch word order more varied? V2 and SOV? I still think you make great points.
To: Tastyonions: I see your point, interesting way to look at it whether it is so or not so. Edit: To finish, I am just bugged when I hear people claim English felt effortless. I could reassure myself when I find something tough in German that a learner of English would feel frustrated too, but it doesn't look like that at first. Folks I've met in person or on the net who've called English so simple outnumber those who admitted to frustration (except native Asian speakers), and it bites. German just looked mightier than English nearly every way, so I mentioned a lot. Edited by Papashaw1 on 16 November 2013 at 7:47am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4518 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes  Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 66 of 73 12 November 2013 at 6:15pm | IP Logged | |||||
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It allows SOV only in subclauses under certain circumstances - word order changes in
Dutch are actually fairly rigid. You can play with complements somewhat more freely to render emphasis though. And it doesn't really matter anyways. English allows things Dutch doesn't. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Papashaw1 Newbie Australia Joined 3842 days ago 30 posts - 35 votes | Message 67 of 73 14 November 2013 at 2:32pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I hate to go off topic but can you quickly elaborate on English syntax compared to Dutch?
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| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6967 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 68 of 73 14 November 2013 at 4:53pm | IP Logged | |||||
Nor is it in mine. I actually find the phobia around 'ain't' screwy since it leads to the ungrammatical tag, "aren't I?" (would you say "are I not?" as a converse to "I am not"?) 'ain't' is ungrammatical to me when the subject is not the 1st person singular. "ain't I?" and "I ain't" are helluva lot better than "aren't I?" let alone "I aren't" 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| tarvos Super Polyglot Winner TAC 2012 Senior Member China likeapolyglot.wordpr Joined 4518 days ago 5310 posts - 9399 votes Speaks: Dutch*, English, Swedish, French, Russian, German, Italian, Norwegian, Mandarin, Romanian, Afrikaans Studies: Greek, Modern Hebrew, Spanish, Portuguese, Czech, Korean, Esperanto, Finnish | Message 69 of 73 14 November 2013 at 5:25pm | IP Logged | |||||
I quickly worked out the solution I worked out the solution quickly Ik heb de oplossing snel gevonden. Adverbs cannot roam in Dutch like in English - it can't come in front of the verb. Furthermore you have to put the participle at the end no matter what. Flexibility is just so context-dependent that it doesn't really matter. It's arbitrary. Edited by tarvos on 14 November 2013 at 5:26pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Papashaw1 Newbie Australia Joined 3842 days ago 30 posts - 35 votes | Message 70 of 73 15 November 2013 at 3:01pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Anyway on topic: There is refusal to learn by some older folks. When you reach a certain age it may be harder, but we've seen many past their 50s on this forum who continue to learn languages. Maybe one needs to already have learned another to have the confidence. But I've seen some young children as young as 12 translating for their still middle aged and not elderly parents in some trips to the US and naturally some elderly immigrants here in Perth relying on their children to translate. Is it really the fact that they believe they can't learn as old people? Dislike? Edited by Papashaw1 on 16 November 2013 at 7:40am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lecavaleur Diglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4588 days ago 146 posts - 295 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: German, Spanish | Message 71 of 73 19 November 2013 at 6:52am | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm not sore about having English as a first language, though if I could choose any language to have been my first, it
would be Irish. Why? Not only because I've struggled with it for years, but also because it's like a 2-for-1, since all native Irish speakers my age are profoundly bilingual in Irish and English. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Tollpatchig Senior Member United States Joined 3818 days ago 161 posts - 210 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Maltese | Message 72 of 73 06 December 2013 at 6:47pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I'm glad to have English as my native language simply because I don't have to learn it the hard way. I don't find English trendy or cool like people in other countries may see it. I just consider it a neutral language, not beautiful but not ugly. I think our slang is pretty lulzy <-----(see what I mean?)
But knowing English makes it hard to get the desire to learn a foreign language. I mean you could get around perfectly well in Europe and the tourist traps of other countries but what's the fun in that? I'd much rather be able to go see the REAL country and talk with the natives and learn some cool things. I can't do that if all I know is English. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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