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culebrilla
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 Message 25 of 63
18 December 2013 at 10:58pm | IP Logged 
1e4e6 wrote:
culebrilla wrote:
In the US, we only say "to whom it concerns." That's it, pretty
much. Can't think of any other examples of "normal" use of whom.


Also, all of my e-mails are written as such:

"To whom this shall concern

[body]

Thank you.

Yours faithfully,

[my name]"

so some variants therewith exist.

Also, I think that "For Whom the Bell Tolls" is a Metallica song. Perhaps that
popularised it? It also helped that I used to listen to metal when I was in primary
school.


This side of the Atlantic, brah. Not in the UK.
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geoffw
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 Message 26 of 63
18 December 2013 at 11:00pm | IP Logged 
1e4e6 wrote:

Also, I think that "For Whom the Bell Tolls" is a Metallica song. Perhaps that
popularised it? It also helped that I used to listen to metal when I was in primary
school.


"For Whom the Bell Tolls" was originally the name of an Ernest Hemingway novel, which
in turn took its name from the well-known 17th century poem by John Donne:


'No Man is an Island'

No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
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geoffw
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 Message 27 of 63
18 December 2013 at 11:01pm | IP Logged 
culebrilla wrote:

This side of the Atlantic, brah. Not in the UK.


You do know that your profile says you're in the United Kingdom, right?
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1e4e6
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 Message 28 of 63
18 December 2013 at 11:02pm | IP Logged 
culebrilla wrote:
1e4e6 wrote:
culebrilla wrote:
In the US, we only say "to whom
it concerns." That's it, pretty
much. Can't think of any other examples of "normal" use of whom.


Also, all of my e-mails are written as such:

"To whom this shall concern

[body]

Thank you.

Yours faithfully,

[my name]"

so some variants therewith exist.

Also, I think that "For Whom the Bell Tolls" is a Metallica song. Perhaps that
popularised it? It also helped that I used to listen to metal when I was in primary
school.


This side of the Atlantic, brah. Not in the UK.


But your profile says UK?

Also, I hear "For Whom the Bell Tolls" occasionally when Ian Bell walks out to bat for
England.

Edited by 1e4e6 on 18 December 2013 at 11:04pm
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culebrilla
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 Message 29 of 63
18 December 2013 at 11:12pm | IP Logged 
Yeah, I selected the wrong country on purpose. Helps a bit with anonymity unless somebody reads all my posts.

Dude, but it is said in British English but not here in the old U S of A.



Edited by culebrilla on 18 December 2013 at 11:14pm
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geoffw
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 Message 30 of 63
18 December 2013 at 11:17pm | IP Logged 
And you also may notice that my profile says that I'm in the US...and that I said that I
do say "whom" as a general rule. By my count, the American vote in this thread is 2-1 in
favor of "whom" being in common usage. But I don't think anyone is denying that SOME
people don't use it.

For my part, I'm speaking for the Northeast/Atlantic Coast area.
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 Message 31 of 63
18 December 2013 at 11:18pm | IP Logged 
geoffw wrote:
1e4e6 wrote:

Also, I think that "For Whom the Bell Tolls" is a Metallica song. Perhaps that
popularised it? It also helped that I used to listen to metal when I was in primary
school.


"For Whom the Bell Tolls" was originally the name of an Ernest Hemingway novel, which
in turn took its name from the well-known 17th century poem by John Donne:


'No Man is an Island'

No man is an island entire of itself; every man
is a piece of the continent, a part of the main;
if a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe
is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as
well as any manner of thy friends or of thine
own were; any man's death diminishes me,
because I am involved in mankind.
And therefore never send to know for whom
the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.


But also a Metallica song.

Which for me is the more relevant reference point :D
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tbreit
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 Message 32 of 63
18 December 2013 at 11:45pm | IP Logged 
I am from the midwest. I also use whom. I do think it might be an age thing. Dude and brah is probably younger than I.


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