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| shinkarom Diglot Groupie Ukraine allthetongues.hRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4096 days ago 40 posts - 59 votes  Speaks: Ukrainian, Russian* | Message 25 of 43 01 May 2014 at 9:34pm | IP Logged | ||
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I practiced chorusing this way:
I take a short sentence. Then I loop it in Audacity or in SIL Speech Analyzer till it starts to bore me (100 or 200 times). Then I start repeating in unison, trying to match intonations exactly (also 50 or 100 times). It all takes a hour or two per sentence of not taking off my headphones. It has its merit, although is so cumbersome that I didn't practice after two sentences. Is there any simpler way to chorus? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 jeff_lindqvist Diglot Moderator SwedenRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6697 days ago 4250 posts - 5710 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: German, Spanish, Russian, Dutch, Mandarin, Esperanto, Irish, French Personal Language Map | Message 26 of 43 02 May 2014 at 12:24am | IP Logged | ||
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The recommendation is 50/100 times (or thereabouts). Maybe there's an easier way, mabye it's not chorusing the way Olle Kjellin does it, maybe you're doing it wrong.
However, repeating a sentence 100 times should not take an hour, even with 200 "pre-listens". That makes.... 12 seconds per sentence (are you chorusing Sir Walter Scott?). 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| shinkarom Diglot Groupie Ukraine allthetongues.hRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4096 days ago 40 posts - 59 votes Speaks: Ukrainian, Russian* | Message 27 of 43 02 May 2014 at 9:06am | IP Logged | ||
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That's why I'm asking others for the way they do it.
Maybe it's more than 100/200. All I know is that it takes so much energy and seems so tiring, that I hardly have any motivation to continue. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Mrs. Dalloway Triglot Groupie Italy Joined 4757 days ago 70 posts - 95 votes Speaks: Italian*, EnglishC2, Russian Studies: GermanA2, French, Danish | Message 28 of 43 03 May 2014 at 2:57am | IP Logged | ||
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I'm guessing that what the methods discussed help with is the acquisition of a standard
accent, am I wrong? The equivalent of 'Received Pronounciation', in a British English context? I'm guessing so, I'll ask for confirmation, just in case. But how do you go about choosing the dialectal version that you're going to speak, if the standardised "news reports & academia" style is not desirable or there is not a 'standard' pronunciation? I'll take English as an example. I learnt English through a variety of mediums and encountered a wide variety of accents. As I've always been naturally good at picking up accents, I developed an accent that has allowed me to pass for a native American English speakers in a few occasions, but since I started attending university in a UK institution, I've come into contact with all kinds of British and non-British accents. Whoever gets to spend some more time with me, now, will hear me slip quite often, oddly pronouncing a [i:]/ as a short [ɪ] and similar mistakes. What is proving really hard for me right now is to settle on one variant and try to pick it up. I have a girlfriend from Yorkshire and mimicking her could help me settle on a set of pronunciations quite quickly, but I don't particularly wish to acquire that kind of accent, mostly for reasons of intelligibility ;p A resolution would be to choose the dialect that's closest to you for personal reasons, such as the one of the place you're living in. But, as a university student living in a 'university' city, you don't really get to hang out with people who are FROM the city as much as with foreigners/people who moved there. And, most importantly, how do you work against the tendency to assimilate other people's pronunciation and prosody, when you spend time with them? This happens normally with one's native language, but in that case it's quite easy to go back to your own, whereas with a secondary language, it can destroy what you've been working towards. Hope what I wrote made at least a bit of sense! 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| shinkarom Diglot Groupie Ukraine allthetongues.hRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4096 days ago 40 posts - 59 votes Speaks: Ukrainian, Russian* | Message 29 of 43 03 May 2014 at 11:32am | IP Logged | ||
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I think, if you want specific dialect, then chorus by the radio recordings (there's a
program called RadioSure). For me the "narrator's" dialect would be fine. Yes, forgetting what you've learned is a danger. After month or two without chorusing I started to forget learnt prosody. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| shinkarom Diglot Groupie Ukraine allthetongues.hRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4096 days ago 40 posts - 59 votes Speaks: Ukrainian, Russian* | Message 30 of 43 25 April 2015 at 10:37am | IP Logged | ||
I bet the year is over, garyb. Now it's time for feedback. 6 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| phonology Groupie Peru Joined 3500 days ago 40 posts - 48 votes Speaks: Spanish* | Message 31 of 43 04 May 2015 at 10:14pm | IP Logged | ||
It is very interesting its strategy on mastering the rhythm of high and low pitch and the separation of words into syllables to approach a native accent. I understood that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r05ropOnt3s 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| garyb Triglot Senior Member ScotlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4995 days ago 1468 posts - 2413 votes Speaks: English*, Italian, French Studies: Spanish | Message 32 of 43 06 May 2015 at 1:15pm | IP Logged | ||
Thanks for the reminder, I had forgotten about this post! I think that a couple of months of chorusing and phonetic analysis took my Italian accent from bad to OK. It helped me notice and fix a few things I was doing wrong, like not applying syllable-timing properly and sometimes reducing final vowels. However, I don't feel that I got past "OK" and onto "good". I don't know whether this is a limitation of the methods or just a case of me not using them enough. Maybe another few months would have given further improvement. Maybe I decided that I was happy with my "OK" accent for the time being and so decided to concentrate on improving other aspects of the language instead. I can't really remember. In any case, I've seen the old bad habits creep in again after I stopped doing the work. So obviously what I did wasn't enough to make the improvements permanent. I think that, in my case at least, accent is something that should be checked up on and trained quite frequently to ensure that the bad habits aren't coming back. Short version: I've not been consistent enough with accent work to be able to say anything conclusive. 4 persons have voted this message useful |
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