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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6497 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes  Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 57 of 63 08 May 2014 at 11:09am | IP Logged | ||
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In the Danish classes in my school years back in the 60s we learnt rock bottom sentence analysis using a method with graphical signs: a cross under subjects ("grundled"), a circle under the verbals ("udsagnsled"), a triangle under direct objects ("genstandsled") etc. - a simple method, but efficient. And without that bitsize grammar teaching I think I would have had much more trouble learning 'real' grammar later on with other languages.
It is with grammar as with languages in general: the earlier you get started (with suitably simple methods) the more natural it will be for you to think in terms of sentence patterns etc. later when you have to learn new languages. And if dubious, but fashionable pedagogical dogma lead to the abandonment of that early start then it is no wonder that the schools later has to dumb down their language teaching because the majority of their pupils simply can't see sentence structures in new languages even if they are dangling in front of their noses. Edited by Iversen on 08 May 2014 at 11:10am 5 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Lizzern Diglot Senior Member Norway Joined 5703 days ago 791 posts - 1053 votes Speaks: Norwegian*, English Studies: Japanese | Message 58 of 63 08 May 2014 at 11:42am | IP Logged | ||
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Kanji. I really wish it was possible to learn Japanese without them. I respect them for keeping them, but they're still a pain...
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| QiuJP Triglot Senior Member Singapore Joined 5649 days ago 428 posts - 597 votes Speaks: Mandarin*, EnglishC2, French Studies: Czech, GermanB1, Russian, Japanese | Message 59 of 63 08 May 2014 at 5:52pm | IP Logged | ||
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I am still struggling with the spelling in English. Somehow the correct spelling cannot still in my mind and I can keep repeating the same spelling mistake! I wish English is spelt phonetically like Icelandic or German.
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| Medulin Tetraglot Senior Member Croatia Joined 4462 days ago 1199 posts - 2192 votes Speaks: Croatian*, English, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Hindi, Nepali | Message 60 of 63 08 May 2014 at 8:01pm | IP Logged | ||
Writing helps spelling and reading, in English, just like writing Hanzi helps reading ;) Write long essays with the spell checker off, then, turn it on, write all words you misspelled down, and write them once more on a paper ;) 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4102 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 61 of 63 09 May 2014 at 12:35am | IP Logged | ||
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Great thread. Currently I'm not fond of the multiple uses of "se" in Spanish. If you
interpret a "se" wrongly it can throw you right off the scent. 3 persons have voted this message useful | |||
| Retinend Triglot Senior Member SpainRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4102 days ago 283 posts - 557 votes Speaks: English*, German, Spanish Studies: Arabic (Written), French | Message 62 of 63 09 May 2014 at 1:00am | IP Logged | ||
I agree with you, but to play devil's advocate: is it plausible that nothing is lost by avoiding conjugation tables, sentence formulas etc. until much later, when this knowledge would dovetail with the experienced student's collected experience in using the language? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Stolan Senior Member United States Joined 3826 days ago 274 posts - 368 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Thai, Lowland Scots Studies: Arabic (classical), Cantonese | Message 63 of 63 09 May 2014 at 7:09pm | IP Logged | ||
There is scarcely any equivalent I have found to reflexive verbs outside except for the mediopassive fossizlied forms in some Tibeto Burman languages that have evolved to have inflection unlike relatives such as Chinese or others. But in this form it's another heinous Indo-europeanism. Ach! Edited by Stolan on 12 May 2014 at 11:52pm 1 person has voted this message useful |
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