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| alexptrans Pentaglot Senior Member Israel Joined 6559 days ago 208 posts - 236 votes  Speaks: English, Modern Hebrew, Russian*, French, Arabic (Written) Studies: Icelandic | Message 9 of 99 09 October 2006 at 9:13am | IP Logged | |||||
You're absolutely right; it could just be a passing fad. I have a related question, absolutely no offense meant: will the average English-speaking person on the street know that the term "Persians" equals "Iranians" or that Persia is Iran? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
 Keith Diglot Moderator JapanRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6571 days ago 526 posts - 536 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 10 of 99 09 October 2006 at 10:08am | IP Logged | |||||
No, I didn't know that. Thank you for clearing that up. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| lady_skywalker Triglot Senior Member Netherlands aspiringpolyglotblog Joined 6684 days ago 909 posts - 942 votes Speaks: Spanish, English*, Mandarin Studies: Japanese, French, Dutch, Italian | Message 11 of 99 09 October 2006 at 10:42am | IP Logged | |||||
I was once told that Persian is an ethnic group while the term 'Iranian' refers merely to a citizen of Iran, regardless of ethnic background (much as one can differentiate between 'Jew' and 'Israeli'). Could one of the native Iranians please clarify as my information may be completely wrong? :) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Alijsh Tetraglot Senior Member Iran jahanshiri.ir/ Joined 6416 days ago 149 posts - 167 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Persian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: German, Italian | Message 12 of 99 09 October 2006 at 11:02am | IP Logged | |||||
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"Persian" is not equal to "Iranian". All Persians are Iranian but all Iranians are not Persian. We have Iranians who are Armenian, Turk, Arab, Jewish etc. Up to 150 years ago, Iran has been a much bigger country. so it's not strange to have for example Turkish Iranian.
When someone says he's Persian he means to be Iranian. But when he says to be Iranian he could be Persian, Turk, etc. By the way, all Iranians are not Muslim. We have Christian, Jewish, and Zoroastrian as well. So what dear lady_skywalker wrote is completely right. - Hope it clears up the issue Edited by Alijsh on 09 October 2006 at 11:04am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6562 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 13 of 99 09 October 2006 at 11:07am | IP Logged | |||||
That sounds about right to me, but I think "Persian" has both uses: ethnicity or citizenship. (I'm obviously not Iranian, but it's as much a question of English usage.) "Iran" comes from the Persian "Land of the Aryans". I've heard hearsay that they began promoting the alternate name for Persia during the thirties to present themselves favourably to the Nazis as a Caucasian (Aryan) race. I can't find a source, however. Edited by Captain Haddock on 09 October 2006 at 11:08am 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Alijsh Tetraglot Senior Member Iran jahanshiri.ir/ Joined 6416 days ago 149 posts - 167 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Persian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: German, Italian | Message 14 of 99 09 October 2006 at 11:41am | IP Logged | |||||
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Dear Captain Haddock,
Ferdowsi says: cho "Irân" nabâšad, tane man mabâd. And Ferdowsi lived more than 1000 years ago. Where were Nazis at that time? It has nothing to do with Nazis. We have never called our country as Pârs (Persia). It has been always Iran. It has been first Âyriyanâm Vaeja » Irânvej » Irân. Iran has had four capitals. One of them has been in Pârs province where Persepolis is. The Greeks called this province as Perse. Pârs is still a province of Iran. It's main city is Shirâz that's well-known to tourists. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| AML Senior Member United States Joined 6619 days ago 323 posts - 426 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, German, Spanish | Message 15 of 99 09 October 2006 at 11:49am | IP Logged | |||||
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Let's not forget Ardaschir's thread on the persian language:
http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp? TID=69&PN=1 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| alexptrans Pentaglot Senior Member Israel Joined 6559 days ago 208 posts - 236 votes Speaks: English, Modern Hebrew, Russian*, French, Arabic (Written) Studies: Icelandic | Message 16 of 99 09 October 2006 at 12:57pm | IP Logged | |||||
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Here's a link to a Wikipedia article called about the Persia/Iran issue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_naming_dispute
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