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| Alijsh Tetraglot Senior Member Iran jahanshiri.ir/ Joined 6417 days ago 149 posts - 167 votes  1 sounds Speaks: Persian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: German, Italian | Message 65 of 99 12 October 2006 at 3:29pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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In contrast, neither air nor port are familiar for us. so we coin words for them. Persian does not have the same background as English. I think it's now clear why we create words. Latin, French, English, etc. words are not familiar for us or as I already wrote meaningful and comprehensible. Edited by Alijsh on 12 October 2006 at 3:30pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chung Diglot Senior Member Joined 6951 days ago 4228 posts - 8259 votes 20 sounds Speaks: English*, French Studies: Polish, Slovak, Uzbek, Turkish, Korean, Finnish | Message 66 of 99 12 October 2006 at 3:43pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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That's fine and completely understandable. The word for airport in Slavonic languages is usually something taken from the native vocabulary too. (e.g. Polish: lotnisko; Slovak: letisko)
However it's foolish to become insistent on the clear benefit of an arbitrary Academy when it's obvious that a lot of languages and their speakers do fine without it and honestly don't understand the need since languages keep evolving anyway. This insistence is what irritated me and Lady Skywalker. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| That_Guy Diglot Groupie United States Joined 6893 days ago 74 posts - 87 votes Studies: Hindi, English*, Spanish | Message 67 of 99 12 October 2006 at 10:42pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Do you truly believe the French language accepts foreign words and influences as readily as English? Hardly.
No, you have the wrong idea. A dictionary is much more fluid than an academy. Also, Webster and Oxford aren't "in charge" of the English language. They simply provide a definitive list of which words are currently being used on a daily basis. The words that are in these dictionaries are there because English speakers as a whole use them, not because a group of people chose them.
Anglophone (English-speaking) society is different than yours. English has a great degree of flexibility which allows users to choose a word that best fits whatever situation we're in. We enjoy using the unique flexibility of English. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| lengua Senior Member United States polyglottery.wordpre Joined 6479 days ago 549 posts - 595 votes Studies: French, Italian, Spanish, German | Message 68 of 99 13 October 2006 at 12:29am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I was thinking about this, and I've decided you're right. If I were in such a situation, I would forego accuracy for comprehension, and say Chinese instead of Mandarin. In fact, I just made a post where I did the same. When approaching someone speaking Chinese, I could ask if they were speaking Mandarin or Cantonese...but when speaking to someone who wasn't necessarily either, or a language afficionado (like the ladies and gents here), I'd say Chinese, for clarity. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Alijsh Tetraglot Senior Member Iran jahanshiri.ir/ Joined 6417 days ago 149 posts - 167 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Persian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: German, Italian | Message 69 of 99 13 October 2006 at 12:47am | IP Logged | ||||||||
No, I don't. Maybe that's why you think Persian Academy is the same rigid. No. They just propose. And as I already wrote, they even ask ordinary people to send their suggestions. They announce it in newspapers. We are in close contact.
As I already wrote, we are selective as well. They don't watch your mouth to see what word comes out. For us flexibility means coining meaningful words for unfamiliar English, French etc. words. *** Dear Chung, I must add that coining new words does not necessarily result in pure Persian words because meaningfulness and comprehensibility is in first place. For example, for cloning we have shabihsâzi (litt. similar-making) where shabih is Arabic. The process of coining words is quite straightforward. It's usually replacing Latin etc. affixes with their Persian one, and translating the rest. e.g. The Persian for trans- is tarâ » transport: tarâbari, transpose: tarânehâde, tarâgozârde; anti-: pâd » antibody: pâdtan, anticlockwise: pâdsâatgard (again sâat is Arabic). -logy: -shenâsi » biology: zistshenâsi, radiology: partowshenâsi; (radiotherapy: partwodarmâni); geology: zaminshenâsi Anybody can do it, and there's no need to be a member of Academy. Anybody can send suggestions to Academy. Therefore, there are people who are even more active than Academy members e.g. http://iranianlanguages.com/sareh/index.htm that apparently live in the USA. Edited by Alijsh on 13 October 2006 at 1:36am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| lengua Senior Member United States polyglottery.wordpre Joined 6479 days ago 549 posts - 595 votes Studies: French, Italian, Spanish, German | Message 70 of 99 13 October 2006 at 1:05am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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About the whole Farsi/Persian debate at large, I have to say I'm leaning toward Fanatic's post in the other forum. Sure, I'd prefer the more accurate of the two, but in the end, there are so many other things to worry about in life (and in language) that I'm not sure this is worth the trouble. Personally, I'd rather have someone have an open mind about Iran the country and Iranis the people while saying Farsi Farsi Farsi all day long, than saying Persian, following gov't agitprop (of any kind), and urging this gov't to wage war against that gov't and so forth. I'm a fan of communication. If saying Farsi facilitates that, I'm all for it. We can iron out the kinks after we stop each other from trampling the cloth underfoot. Edited by lengua on 13 October 2006 at 1:11am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Alijsh Tetraglot Senior Member Iran jahanshiri.ir/ Joined 6417 days ago 149 posts - 167 votes 1 sounds Speaks: Persian*, Spanish, French, English Studies: German, Italian | Message 71 of 99 13 October 2006 at 1:13am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Dear lengua,
We are not discussing on Persian and Farsi. It has been closed on page 6. If you had read posts then you didn't write such things. You can use whichever you like. By the way, if you don't like this thread don't follow it. Nobody has made you. Don't write whatever comes to your mind. Now that you are a fan of communication, it's not good to call people disagreeing you as fanatic, following gov't agitprop, lacking open mind etc. It's anti-communication. Edited by Alijsh on 13 October 2006 at 1:37am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Frisco Triglot Senior Member United States Joined 6651 days ago 380 posts - 398 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Norwegian, Italian, Turkish, Mandarin | Message 72 of 99 13 October 2006 at 1:41am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Alijsh, you don't have the authority to "close" discussions. Lengua has every right to comment on the original topic. If you want to open another discussion, do it properly by creating a new topic.
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