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| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6229 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes  Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 81 of 90 12 April 2007 at 6:41pm | IP Logged | |||||
I was hoarse for a few days, and cut back but didn't stop; after that, it just hasn't been a problem. During the worst day, my throat didn't hurt that much, though it hurt a bit, and it sometimes took me a few tries to say something (in English), because my voice wouldn't come out, and then I'd sound normal; a few other times that day, I sounded hoarse. Basically, it wasn't pleasant, but it wasn't so terrible either, and the worst didn't last long. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Linguamor Decaglot Senior Member United States Joined 6408 days ago 469 posts - 599 votes Speaks: English*, German, Italian, Spanish, Swedish, Danish, French, Norwegian, Portuguese, Dutch | Message 82 of 90 13 April 2007 at 1:11pm | IP Logged | |||||
http://www.languageimpact.com/articles/gt/kickstrt.htm
Repeating, echoing, chorusing, etc., as helpful as these may be, is not really speaking the language. Edited by Linguamor on 13 April 2007 at 1:23pm 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6372 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 83 of 90 13 April 2007 at 1:43pm | IP Logged | |||||
Nope, but it's good for your pronounciation. For getting ideas across, all you have to do is think in the language, and maybe speak aloud once in a while. I don't find that a very difficult part of language learning, since you can basically train it all day long without much effort. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6465 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 84 of 90 14 April 2007 at 2:16pm | IP Logged | |||||
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So, you agree to say "Practice cannot help and in fact it damages one's ability to learn naturally" is just nonsense.
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| tujiko Senior Member United States Joined 6323 days ago 140 posts - 144 votes Speaks: English* | Message 85 of 90 14 April 2007 at 2:20pm | IP Logged | |||||
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I can understand the bits about sore throats. Back when I spent 3 hours a day for a solid month internalizing Learn in Your Car Italian, my throat would hurt each day until the muscles got used to being used so much. In the end, it was well worth it - I've never learned a language so quickly - but it did take some getting used to.
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| Ari Heptaglot Senior Member Norway Joined 6372 days ago 2314 posts - 5695 votes Speaks: Swedish*, English, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Mandarin, Cantonese Studies: Czech, Latin, German | Message 86 of 90 15 April 2007 at 2:48am | IP Logged | |||||
Was that directed to me? I've never said I agree with everything ALG says, but I think they have some good points. Practice does help, of course it does, but it might also damage one's ability to learn naturally. Practice a lot and you'll get good pronounciation. Do the ALG comprehensive input approach, and it'll take a long time, but you'll get perfect pronounciation. The above is what I think. It's not something I know. I have way too little info about ALG, linguistics, developmental psychology and whatnot, for me to form a well-founded standpoint. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6465 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 87 of 90 15 April 2007 at 1:29pm | IP Logged | |||||
The questions are for everybody. Sure it is interesting this approach. My own approach is about a lot of input. The question is the "only listen" approach seems too radical. And to affirm that open the mouth at the beginning cause "irreversible brain damage" to learn correctly the language seems nonsense, isn't it? 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| slucido Bilingual Diglot Senior Member Spain https://goo.gl/126Yv Joined 6465 days ago 1296 posts - 1781 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Spanish*, Catalan* Studies: English | Message 88 of 90 15 April 2007 at 4:23pm | IP Logged | |||||
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All the contradictions between experts about those "input hypotesis" are a little exasperating.
Sure it's difficult to develop and assess scientific evidence. How can we assess what are doing people with his mind? Two persons can receive the same input (listening or reading if you want) without any output, but we don't know if one of them practice a lot inside his mind. Sure the results will be different. Maybe one of them practice the sentences in his head. Maybe he experiment with words in his head, mentally reviewing, trying new combinations, comparing, imagining different situations, talking himself in silence and never ever writing and talking aloud. Apparently this person is an example of "input hypotesis", but he (or she) "practices a lot" (output) since the beginning, but only with his mind. I think this can be a very big "confusion factor" in any scientific research about this subject, because it is very difficult to assess and control. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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