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| Magnum Bilingual Triglot Retired Moderator Pro Member United States Joined 7119 days ago 359 posts - 353 votes  Speaks: English*, Serbian*, French Studies: German Personal Language Map | Message 1 of 36 31 July 2006 at 1:52am | IP Logged |
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Has anyone heard of Valenciano as a language? I met someone who said they spoke Spanish, French and Valenciano. That was the first time I've heard of Valenciano. According to wiki, it is spoken in parts of Spain, France and Italy.
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| AML Senior Member United States Joined 6827 days ago 323 posts - 426 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: Modern Hebrew, German, Spanish | Message 2 of 36 31 July 2006 at 2:07am | IP Logged |
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Isn't it the same as Catalan? They speak it in Valencia. My old roommate
from Catalan had a girlfriend from Valencia, and I believe he told me that she spoke the "Valencian version of Catalan". That's probably what he was talking about. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7017 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 3 of 36 31 July 2006 at 3:17am | IP Logged |
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I don't think that it's exactly the same as Catalan, more like one of the dialects. Check this page out, although it's not the most reliable source.
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 Iversen Super Polyglot Moderator Denmark berejst.dk Joined 6705 days ago 9078 posts - 16473 votes Speaks: Danish*, French, English, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, Swedish, Esperanto, Romanian, Catalan Studies: Afrikaans, Greek, Norwegian, Russian, Serbian, Icelandic, Latin, Irish, Lowland Scots, Indonesian, Polish, Croatian Personal Language Map | Message 4 of 36 31 July 2006 at 3:56am | IP Logged |
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As far as I know it is a dialect of Catalan spoken roughly from South of Tarragona to South of Valencia, but with nowhere near the position that the main dialect has in Catalunya proper. There is also supposedly a Catalan dialect on the Balearics, but with the influx of workers due to the tourism industry and the lack of support from the regional authorities I would expect that to be even more engangered than Valenciano. On the other hand I heard a lot of Catalan when I visited Andorra last year, so in spite of the number of Spanish and French visitors the language still seems alive there.
EDIT: I just checked the link to Wikipedia in Patuco's post, where it is stated that approximately 94% of the Valencian population could understand it, 78% could speak and read it, and around 50% could write it in 2005. I doubt that those numbers would be correct even in Barcelona or Girona where you really do hear the Catalan language in the streets. And 50% being able to write it? Count the older generation out, they didn't learn to write it under Franco, count out everybody from other parts of Spain, they would just carry on writing in Castilian ("Spanish"), count out those that didn't really learn to write in the school.. I wouldn't even try to guess how many could (and would) speak or read it, but away from the big cities there will probably be a good number of native speakers of Valencian. Edited by Iversen on 31 July 2006 at 9:23am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Guanche Hexaglot Senior Member Spain danielmarin.blogspot Joined 7048 days ago 168 posts - 178 votes Speaks: Spanish*, EnglishC2, GermanC1, RussianB1, French, Japanese Studies: Greek, Mandarin, Arabic (Written) | Message 5 of 36 31 July 2006 at 11:05am | IP Logged |
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Valenciano IS Catalan from a linguistic point of view, NOT a dialect, but the same language (the standard form, at least). If they call it that way is because of political reasons: many people in Valencia feel that calling their language "Catalan" implies som kind of desire to be part of Catalonia, and they don't want to be part of that region! However, there are other people in Valencia who have no problem calling it Catalan.
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| frenkeld Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 6945 days ago 2042 posts - 2719 votes Speaks: Russian*, English Studies: German | Message 6 of 36 31 July 2006 at 11:12am | IP Logged |
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If I remember correctly, when Spain had to present to the EU copies of the (draft) EU constitution translated into Spain's minority languages, it presented two copies, one in Catalan, another in Valencian, with identical text inside.
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| Magnum Bilingual Triglot Retired Moderator Pro Member United States Joined 7119 days ago 359 posts - 353 votes Speaks: English*, Serbian*, French Studies: German Personal Language Map | Message 7 of 36 31 July 2006 at 12:16pm | IP Logged |
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Would it be proper to say one speaks both Spanish and Valencian?
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| patuco Diglot Moderator Gibraltar Joined 7017 days ago 3795 posts - 4268 votes Speaks: Spanish, English* Personal Language Map | Message 8 of 36 31 July 2006 at 1:17pm | IP Logged |
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Yes because Spanish and Valencian are different languages. Now, Valencian and Catalan...
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