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| Captain Haddock Diglot Senior Member Japan kanjicabinet.tumblr. Joined 6778 days ago 2282 posts - 2814 votes  Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: French, Korean, Ancient Greek | Message 9 of 62 11 September 2007 at 1:57am | IP Logged | ||
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One of the Japanese-learning blogs, possibly Nihongo Jouzu, once had an article about a Chinese woman the blogger knew, who, over the course of 8 years in Japan, learned Japanese with a flawless native accent. People don't know she's Chinese until she tells them.
He discussed her learning technique as well, which involved a lot of shadowing and memorization. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| kinoko Tetraglot Senior Member Japan Joined 6646 days ago 103 posts - 109 votes Speaks: Italian*, English, Japanese, Spanish Studies: German | Message 10 of 62 11 September 2007 at 2:38am | IP Logged | ||
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As skeptical as I am of course I am not excluding such an achievement to be possible. On the contrary I have great interest and curiosity to know how those people managed to reach a native level of fluency to the point of being thought natives (their studying methods, their background, how long it took to get there and such details).
What I notice it's that most of the times those who get there are bilingual kids, or people who received formal education in that country since early age and not complete novices who start from scratch with their own means. But I love to hear the stories of the few who actually succeded. Any info from the guy in the video? 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
 Keith Diglot Moderator JapanRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6787 days ago 526 posts - 536 votes 1 sounds Speaks: English*, Japanese Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 11 of 62 11 September 2007 at 3:19am | IP Logged | ||
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How old is the guy? He looks about 28.
He probably has been studying Chinese for over 10 years. I think, if you give yourself enough time and exposure, and if you remain aware of your speaking, you can acquire that kind of skill. But is Chinese really all that different from English or German? Certainly not as much as Japanese and Korean are. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| krtek Groupie United States Joined 7120 days ago 46 posts - 50 votes Speaks: Mandarin* Studies: English, Italian, Cantonese | Message 12 of 62 11 September 2007 at 7:48am | IP Logged | ||
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Some info he wrote about himself on a CD review website:
http://www.sa-cd.net/showuser/2816 An incomplete biography of him(in Chinese): http://newsradio.cri.cn/8383/2006/04/11/1568@579259.htm According to this site, he started playing piano and cello when he was 5, entered "Conservatoire de Paris" in 1995 to study cello, got several titles in musical competitions between 1992 to 1997, started working as Chinese interpretor and tutor in France in 2001... 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| maxb Diglot Senior Member Sweden Joined 7193 days ago 536 posts - 589 votes 7 sounds Speaks: Swedish*, English Studies: Mandarin | Message 13 of 62 11 September 2007 at 8:31am | IP Logged | ||
Why must there? I can myself speak chinese pretty accurately with rather few tone mistakes. It is just a matter of a lot of listening to and imitating native speakers. 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||
 Hencke Tetraglot Moderator Spain Joined 6904 days ago 2340 posts - 2444 votes Speaks: Swedish*, Finnish, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Mandarin Personal Language Map | Message 14 of 62 12 September 2007 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | ||
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I just showed this video to a friend who is interested in, and knowledgeable about languages in general.
As he doesn´t know Chinese he couldn't comment on Julien's accent but he made an interesting observation: he thought Julien's body language appeared different from the two Chinese people on the program. He gesticulated less than they did, and in a different way, perhaps more European. This of course in no way reflects on or detracts from Julien's accomplishment - mastering the language to such an awesome level is a major feat in any case. But I'd be curious to know if the rest of you, especially native Chinese speakers, agree with this or not. Is there anything obviously non-Chinese about his body language? Edited by Hencke on 12 September 2007 at 7:24pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| krtek Groupie United States Joined 7120 days ago 46 posts - 50 votes Speaks: Mandarin* Studies: English, Italian, Cantonese | Message 15 of 62 13 September 2007 at 1:16am | IP Logged | ||
The amount of gestures of the male host(窦文涛) is more than average, which is even criticized by some people as "too much". Yes, I agree Julien's body language is kind of more European. The great thing about his spoken language is that every subtle feature including rhythm, emphasis, selection of word/phrase, pause, even stutter is lively native style. This can only be learned by talking to natives. I don't think you can find it in languages learning tapes, which only teaches standard, sometimes "dull" language. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| krtek Groupie United States Joined 7120 days ago 46 posts - 50 votes Speaks: Mandarin* Studies: English, Italian, Cantonese | Message 16 of 62 13 September 2007 at 1:30am | IP Logged | ||
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BTW, he learned Xiangsheng(相声, a traditional performing art, somewhat like western stand-up comedy). Here are two clips of his performance with arguably the most famous Xiangsheng actor, Ma Ji(马季):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGxa_7gPO2U http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlKQwKLJwU4 Edited by krtek on 13 September 2007 at 1:54am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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