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renaissancemedi
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 Message 145 of 252
24 January 2014 at 6:14pm | IP Logged 


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 Message 146 of 252
24 January 2014 at 6:16pm | IP Logged 
renaissancemedi wrote:
I have been carefully reading the FSI hebrew introduction, and
there are some noteworthy statements in it.

The student will have to work hard.

The goal of this course is performance (I love this).

When the student participates in coversation easily and fluently with a minimum of
either "accent" or of conscious effort then he has achieved the goal of the course
(fine by me).

It suggests that work on reading be postponed until unit 10 is completed.

The course presents the ordinary informal speech of educated native Israelis.

A large number of hours is necessary, and concetrated study is essential.


Overlearning: learning sentences so thoroughly that they come out automatically.

Drills, drills, drills, and then more drills. And then some more.

Actual living use of the language is necessary.

Use Hebrew from the start in every way possible, above and beyond the course.




I like this FSI attitude, and it's all I need for Hebrew, so maybe this is a good
choice of course after all.


As far as I know they don't introduce the alphabet, which is why I skipped using it.
That is, they write it, but they don't tell you what means what :)

Edited by tarvos on 24 January 2014 at 6:17pm

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renaissancemedi
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 Message 147 of 252
24 January 2014 at 6:21pm | IP Logged 
Yes, I looked down the road and they don't introduce it. I have to learn on my own initiative, like you. But I think that if I work during each chapter on the alphabet,using the words they provide, by the end I will have learned it. I think...



It's so tempting to skip it altogether though.

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 Message 148 of 252
25 January 2014 at 7:58pm | IP Logged 
Here a piece of "common melodies" for you, a song from 80's. Originally sung by Litsa
Diamanti -Agapi thelo mono.It was then composed in Turkish by famous singer
Nilüfer. She pronounces quite clearly, so that can be useful as a listening
comprehension exercice. :=)

Pişman Etme

Ardımda bıraktım derdi, kederi.
Seviyorum artık ben, beni seveni.
Karşılık görmeyen aşklara paydos,
Geri getirmiyor yıllar geçen günleri.

Ya beni gönülden sev ya da
Bana yalan aşkından söz etme.
Ben böyle de çok mutluyum,
Sevdiğime pişman etme.
Pişman etme.

Yaşamak bu kadar tatlı, güzelken
Niye kararsın ki dünyam senin yüzünden?
Geçmişten o kadar dersler aldım ki
Ne adımlar attım ben yolu görmeden.
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 Message 149 of 252
25 January 2014 at 8:19pm | IP Logged 
renaissancemedi wrote:
Yes, I looked down the road and they don't introduce it. I have
to learn on my own initiative, like you. But I think that if I work during each chapter
on the alphabet,using the words they provide, by the end I will have learned it. I
think...



It's so tempting to skip it altogether though.


I used the Routledge Introductory Course, it explains everything in detail :D
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 Message 150 of 252
26 January 2014 at 12:18pm | IP Logged 
fireballtrouble wrote:
Here a piece of "common melodies" for you, a song from 80's. Originally sung by Litsa
Diamanti -Agapi thelo mono.It was then composed in Turkish by famous singer
Nilüfer. She pronounces quite clearly, so that can be useful as a listening
comprehension exercice. :=)

Pişman Etme

Ardımda bıraktım derdi, kederi.
Seviyorum artık ben, beni seveni.
Karşılık görmeyen aşklara paydos,
Geri getirmiyor yıllar geçen günleri.

Ya beni gönülden sev ya da
Bana yalan aşkından söz etme.
Ben böyle de çok mutluyum,
Sevdiğime pişman etme.
Pişman etme.

Yaşamak bu kadar tatlı, güzelken
Niye kararsın ki dünyam senin yüzünden?
Geçmişten o kadar dersler aldım ki
Ne adımlar attım ben yolu görmeden.



Thank you for this. I am very interested in songs as they help me remember a lot of things (and have fun). Nice singer, I didn't know her.

There are quite a few songs I like that you'd might like, in two versions!




Μπαχάρι-Κανέλλα Και Φιλί - DİLEK KOÇ -Baharat, Tarçın ve Buse

καϊξής/ gel gel kayıkçı

And many more, older mostly that I'll be posting.

There is one only in turkish that I like a lot (it's popular)
Dilek Koc - BEKLEDIM DE GELMEDIM (ΜΠΕΚΛΕΝΤΙΜ)

Edited by renaissancemedi on 26 January 2014 at 12:18pm

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renaissancemedi
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 Message 151 of 252
26 January 2014 at 12:23pm | IP Logged 
tarvos wrote:
   
I used the Routledge Introductory Course, it explains everything in detail :D


I will definitely look for it. I read last night the reading/writing chapter of the routledge colloquial hebrew course, and I had a breakthrough. I started reading!

It has useful advice, like: first deal with learning to read print, and then deal with script. They must be right, that's all I can say.

This looks like a good course. It also has an attitude towards niqqud that I like: learn them but don't depend on them at all. Like a native, focus on vocabulary instead.

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 Message 152 of 252
26 January 2014 at 1:37pm | IP Logged 
I find interesting that you're learning Hebrew with (just) the FSI materials available for free on the internet. I'm going to follow this process closely (well, more or less), since for me it all seems a bit dry.

Up to this point, I thought that people used this kind of support to complement other materials, or that they were referring to some other, more current program. I think that FSI (or was it DLI? I tend to mix the two) also have courses that are more up-to-date. Courses for the general public, that is.

P.S.: actually, I don't make such a big confusion between the two anymore: I've just read the Wikipedia pages for both and I know how to tell the difference. :P

Edited by Luso on 26 January 2014 at 1:46pm



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