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| DaraghM Diglot Senior Member Ireland Joined 6149 days ago 1947 posts - 2923 votes  Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: French, Russian, Hungarian | Message 1 of 24 27 February 2014 at 4:56pm | IP Logged |
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We have time based challenges such as the 6WC, and task based challenges like the Super Challenge, but what about a learning based challenge ? Should we have a challenge that’s simply based on results ? E.g. learn 200 words, learn 100 idioms, learn 100 kanji or learn the genitive case rules.
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| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 2 of 24 27 February 2014 at 5:08pm | IP Logged |
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Many of the TAC team challenges seem to be like that. I think it's a good idea to have this sort of challenges for all TAC'ers or even all members. Or language-specific challenges open to all learners.
This was roughly what I had in mind when I started the consistency thread and small challenges thread, btw. Edited by Serpent on 27 February 2014 at 5:14pm 2 persons have voted this message useful | |
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4347 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 3 of 24 27 February 2014 at 5:22pm | IP Logged |
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I was considering starting something like a 10,000 words challenge and calling it "the proficiency
challenge" (as opposed to fluency-oriented challenges), but first wanted to learn a foreign language (by myself) to proficiency, to see what number would be enough. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Serpent Octoglot Senior Member Russian Federation serpent-849.livejour Joined 6595 days ago 9753 posts - 15779 votes 4 sounds Speaks: Russian*, English, FinnishC1, Latin, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese Studies: Danish, Romanian, Polish, Belarusian, Ukrainian, Croatian, Slovenian, Catalan, Czech, Galician, Dutch, Swedish | Message 4 of 24 27 February 2014 at 11:40pm | IP Logged |
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If you mean the vocabulary, then 10k is a lot but it's very hard to count objectively. And I wouldn't say the existing challenges aren't proficiency-oriented. (Not sure if you mean it like that, but proficiency is not a higher level than fluency)
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| Jeffers Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 4907 days ago 2151 posts - 3960 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Hindi, Ancient Greek, French, Sanskrit, German | Message 5 of 24 28 February 2014 at 12:26am | IP Logged |
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That's a good idea, DaraghM. I'm sort of thinking that since the Super Challenge starts in May, maybe we could have a one month vocabulary challenge, as a boost before we hit the books/films. What do you think? How many words can people reasonably learn in a month? For myself I was thinking maybe 300 (I currently am learning about 100/month). It could be both fun and help kick start us for the SC.
EDIT: I also like Serpent's suggestion that this sort of thing is good for TAC teams, but with the impending SC, a skill-based challenge would be cool. Edited by Jeffers on 28 February 2014 at 12:31am 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4347 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 6 of 24 28 February 2014 at 1:19pm | IP Logged |
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Some of the existing challenges use the word "fluency" in the meaning of fluid, confident,
naturally paced speech/usage. One of the Wiktionary definitions of "proficiency," is "competence". So you can't really say whether one of them is a higher level or not, as they describe different things. Fluency (in this meaning), is how well can you use what you've got; while proficiency, whether what you've got is sufficient for your needs/goals. I hope this doesn't sound like hating, but it could be a (slightly more long-term) challenge for goals bigger than being able to hold a 15 minute chat, rather being able to hold a longer conversation on a variety of more complicated topics, reading books, watching movies, all with a high comprehension rate. Or perhaps getting to a stage where you can just use extensive reading/listening of native content for further improvement (which according to some studies requires 95-98% comprehension rates). Or I might just be full of myself. Mixing time and vocab goals might prove inconvenient, since various people learn at different paces. For example, I learn 300 words every six days (kept this pace for over two weeks now, can't be sure about the future though). Edited by Ezy Ryder on 28 February 2014 at 1:22pm 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| shk00design Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 4442 days ago 747 posts - 1123 votes Speaks: Cantonese*, English, Mandarin Studies: French | Message 7 of 24 01 March 2014 at 9:36pm | IP Logged |
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The amount of vocabulary you pick up is rather artificial measurement. The only way you can really "demonstrate"
your fluency is by doing video recordings and posting theses on YouTube or the public domain to be evaluated by others. Like dialog between polyglots Steve Kaufmann & Luca Lampariello and Steve Kaufmann & Felix Wang in Brussels. 1 person has voted this message useful | |
| Ezy Ryder Diglot Senior Member Poland youtube.com/user/Kat Joined 4347 days ago 284 posts - 387 votes Speaks: Polish*, English Studies: Mandarin, Japanese | Message 8 of 24 01 March 2014 at 10:20pm | IP Logged |
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Depends what's your point, if you want to demonstrate your skills, then videos showing Anki stats
aren't going to be the most entertaining, but if you do it for yourself... 1 person has voted this message useful |
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