Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5770 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 9 of 35 18 February 2014 at 8:53pm | IP Logged |
I don't know if this is relevant, but I tried to youtube Italian clips so I could think about what you mentioned here, and I ended up with a lot of soft porn.
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ETA: Oh, no, /romantic comedies/.
But really I think it's more the idea we have of Italian than anything else. Or, people who think Italian sounds beautiful probably didn't have next door neighbours who speak Italian. Lou---animatedly. And, don't get me wrong, I like them, and I don't dislike the language (though I prefer others, for reasons of cadence mostly), but I think if you hear it a lot without harbouring any particular romantic ideas about the people who speak it or the place where you hear it, then it's just another language?
Edited by Bao on 18 February 2014 at 9:13pm
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ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5232 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French
| Message 10 of 35 18 February 2014 at 8:57pm | IP Logged |
I don't know, there are a lot of romantic idea about Greece--beautiful islands, ruins, it's Arcadia after all--but I don't hear many people go on about the beauty of the Greek language.
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Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5770 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin
| Message 11 of 35 18 February 2014 at 9:13pm | IP Logged |
I thought of pop culture rather than high-brow culture.
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Hungringo Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 3992 days ago 168 posts - 329 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, English, Spanish Studies: French
| Message 12 of 35 18 February 2014 at 9:20pm | IP Logged |
duplicate. sorry
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Hungringo Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 3992 days ago 168 posts - 329 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, English, Spanish Studies: French
| Message 13 of 35 18 February 2014 at 9:20pm | IP Logged |
I would add that Italian sounds natural, perhaps because it organically developed from Latin.
On the other hand, English is basically the child of a language rape and for my ears sounds very unnatural and forced as Germanic Saxons are trying to speak a debased French.
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Hungringo Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 3992 days ago 168 posts - 329 votes Speaks: Hungarian*, English, Spanish Studies: French
| Message 14 of 35 18 February 2014 at 9:30pm | IP Logged |
ScottScheule wrote:
I don't know, there are a lot of romantic idea about Greece--beautiful islands, ruins, it's Arcadia after all--but I don't hear many people go on about the beauty of the Greek language. |
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It's difficult to explain, but I think I like Greek for the same reasons I like Italian and Spanish. In some way they sound similar, a pleasure to your ears.
Cultural factors might influence one's feelings, but not necessarily. I am culturally an Anglophile, but I hate English because of the way its sounds. I am very critical of many aspects of Greek, Italian and Hispanic cultures, but I love these languages, because I like their rythm and sounds.
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Fuenf_Katzen Diglot Senior Member United States notjustajd.wordpress Joined 4373 days ago 337 posts - 476 votes Speaks: English*, German Studies: Polish, Ukrainian, Afrikaans
| Message 15 of 35 18 February 2014 at 9:35pm | IP Logged |
I've always wondered if part of the association with Italian being seen as beautiful is because of the connection with opera. Maybe not; a lot of people don't like opera regardless of what language it's in! It does tend to be a good language to sing in, as far as projecting sound properly--though I have to admit I've never been able to sign Italian music convincingly; German and French were always easier to handle.
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ScottScheule Diglot Senior Member United States scheule.blogspot.com Joined 5232 days ago 645 posts - 1176 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Latin, Hungarian, Biblical Hebrew, Old English, Russian, Swedish, German, Italian, French
| Message 16 of 35 18 February 2014 at 9:37pm | IP Logged |
Hungringo wrote:
It's difficult to explain, but I think I like Greek for the same reasons I like Italian and Spanish. In some way they sound similar, a pleasure to your ears. |
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Sure, I'm not saying Greek isn't beautiful. I'm just pointing out, correctly, that people don't go on about its beauty in the same way they do about Italian.
Hungringo wrote:
I would add that Italian sounds natural, perhaps because it organically developed from Latin.
On the other hand, English is basically the child of a language rape and for my ears sounds very unnatural and forced as Germanic Saxons are trying to speak a debased French. |
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No, no language sounds unnatural when spoken by its native speakers. You're letting what you know of linguistic history shape how you think a language sounds. But I guarantee if I had you rate a bunch of languages you'd never heard before as natural or unnatural, there'd be no correlation between the rating and which ones were and were not the result of "language rape[s]."
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