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| AlexTG Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 4641 days ago 178 posts - 354 votes  Speaks: English*, French Studies: Latin, German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 9 of 73 18 June 2014 at 10:53pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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God forbid the lower classes don't conform to middle class expectations. Why exactly is your
pronunciation "somethiŋ" more correct than "somethink"? The question you should be asking is "what language variations erk you". Edited by AlexTG on 18 June 2014 at 11:08pm 7 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Alphathon Groupie Scotland Joined 4183 days ago 60 posts - 104 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Scottish Gaelic | Message 10 of 73 18 June 2014 at 11:04pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Probably the most annoying feature of in my local vernacular (that I can think of right now) is using the word how in place of why (as a question word). Sometimes it's not too bad (e.g. "How're you so late?" isn't a million miles from "How come you're so late?") but other times it just sounds wrong ("Don't do that!" "How (not)?"). In my area there's also a lot of influence from Scots which shows itself to varying degrees as a lot of people tend to code switch, although that tends to be more confusing than annoying.
I thought that actually was the correct pronunciation. It's good to know otherwise. As for being obvious, I assume you only mean as a French speaker, because it isn't to me. Another related pronunciation that annoys me (although it isn't in my local vernacular) is when (mostly) Americans pronounce it /kuː də ɡɹeɪs/ or /kuːp də ɡɹeɪs/ - it just sounds so wrong.
More broadly (i.e. including instances where it isn't foreign) it's called hypercorrection. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5769 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 11 of 73 18 June 2014 at 11:08pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
With my mum I might come up with the occasional 'Oktoponten' or similar made up plurals. And, I'm not actually irked. Not more than usual. After all I have my pet peeves too. And I'm aware that while I might accept some things as language variation that doesn't change the general opinion of it. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Chris13 Groupie FinlandRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 4054 days ago 53 posts - 64 votes Speaks: English* Studies: Swedish, Finnish | Message 12 of 73 18 June 2014 at 11:26pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Hmm, I'm not whether some people have purely misconstrued the point of my post, or are generally being pernickety over the wording.
I'm not an elitist in the slightest, it's just strange to me that, at least in my area, this was so uncommon that I'd never experienced it before yet upon returning to live in the UK it's so common that one might hear it on television. To clarify, I used "vernacular" so as not to exclude anyone from the topic. I'm not talking about mistakes that a non native speaker might make without realising. I was merely hoping to discover what sort of everyday words/phrases might have the same thing done to them in other countries, as I'm sure it happens in every language in some form. Who knows, perhaps some of those listed will help learners of the languages mentioned avoid particular mistakes they might hear and otherwise adopt if it were not for being told otherwise. Thanks for the examples that have been given so far. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| AlexTG Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 4641 days ago 178 posts - 354 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Latin, German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 13 of 73 18 June 2014 at 11:51pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Languages change over time. Upper class Romans got annoyed as the common people stopped pronouncing 'h'. Then when the upper class started adopting the trait it became "correct", as in modern Latin dialects like French, Spanish and Italian. What is and isn't a mistake is really just about what sounds right to prestige speakers. edit: btw sorry, I was a bit passive aggressive in that first post. I'm not saying you're elitist, but I think the common judgement that certain language features are "mistakes" is flawed. Edited by AlexTG on 19 June 2014 at 12:05am 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| AlexTG Diglot Senior Member Australia Joined 4641 days ago 178 posts - 354 votes Speaks: English*, French Studies: Latin, German, Spanish, Japanese | Message 14 of 73 19 June 2014 at 12:11am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Oh my last post reminds me of something which I've always struggled with. It was beaten into me as a child
that 'h' should be pronounced as "aych" not "haych". So now I get erked by "haych". But I'm at fault here, not the people saying "haych" Edited by AlexTG on 19 June 2014 at 12:27am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| iguanamon Pentaglot Senior Member Virgin Islands Speaks: Ladino Joined 5265 days ago 2241 posts - 6731 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Portuguese, Haitian Creole, Creole (French) | Message 15 of 73 19 June 2014 at 2:20am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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One that I see quite often written here on HTLAL (not so much from native English-speakers) is "noone" meaning "no one". "Noone" is incorrect English. I know it's a little thing, but it is a bit irritating. Edited by iguanamon on 19 June 2014 at 2:22am 2 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| soclydeza85 Senior Member United States Joined 3910 days ago 357 posts - 502 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, French | Message 16 of 73 19 June 2014 at 2:32am | IP Logged | ||||||||
That's one of those weird quirks of English that I've always thought about. Why is it anyone, someone, everyone, but no one? I can see how easy it is for a non-native speaker to make this mistake. Edited by soclydeza85 on 19 June 2014 at 2:32am 2 persons have voted this message useful |
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