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| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 5839 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes  2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 137 of 181 29 April 2010 at 6:32am | IP Logged | ||
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I am changing to advanced fluency now. Not because I have suddenly reached, but because I can now prove it to myself, or make myself realize it. It is strange how language learning "levels" work like that..you aren't fluent until someone else says so! Keep in mind that with a language like Chinese, the difference between advanced fluency and native is absolutely enormous.
I will take the HSK Advanced (level 5) this may 16. I took at practice test and got a very good score, so I am hopeful, but not cocky. I still need to work on measure words and other random touch-ups to my Chinese. For those interested, my deck is almost "done" and will post soon, within days. Edited by irrationale on 29 April 2010 at 6:32am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 5839 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 138 of 181 17 May 2010 at 4:57am | IP Logged | ||
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I just took the HSK Advanced test (level 5). I'm not sure I did as well as I should have. The listening was a little harder than I expected, with some formal words being used instead of spoken chinese, and I was reading in too much detail instead of scanning the passages like I should have, so I didn't manage my time well and missed questions. Overall, the questions themselves were quite easy, but I am a lousy test taker.
The whole thing seemed a little thrown together by hanban. There was no spoken section at all, with those 10 minutes being "extra time". Perhaps they didn't have the recorder on site? I'm still a little peeved about this since I think my spoken ability is my best, and had no chance to add it to my score. Anyway, my life didn't depend on this test, but it would be nice to have the certificate for any chance in the future. Edited by irrationale on 17 May 2010 at 4:58am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| Darobat Diglot Senior Member Joined 6977 days ago 754 posts - 770 votes Speaks: English*, Russian Studies: Latin | Message 139 of 181 24 May 2010 at 9:27pm | IP Logged | ||
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I just finished reading this whole thread; it's very inspiring! I've adapted some of the techniques you used to my Russian studies. Your thread has also made me realize I should really find somebody to speak Russian with on a regular basis. Currently, I don't actively speak Russian to anyone except myself, but you repeatedly stressed how important having a conversation partner was.
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| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 5839 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 140 of 181 09 June 2010 at 11:20am | IP Logged | ||
For all interested, I have posted my anki deck online, info is here http://how-to-learn-any-language.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?T ID=21240&PN=1 Sorry for the long wait! Thanks for the comments. Yes, convos are not only important, but critical. I would say at least 1 hour a week to get some sort of fluency. I really can't see someone getting suddenly fluent without free conversations, I certainly wouldn't have. This is really the critical element in any routine. Edited by irrationale on 09 June 2010 at 11:20am 1 person has voted this message useful | |||
| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6018 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 141 of 181 09 June 2010 at 12:15pm | IP Logged | ||
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Xie xie nin!!!!
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| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 5839 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 142 of 181 01 July 2010 at 11:53am | IP Logged | ||
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I finally got the results from the HSK... I passed the Level 5 test!!!
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| liddytime Pentaglot Senior Member United States mainlymagyar.wordpre Joined 6018 days ago 693 posts - 1328 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, Galician Studies: Hungarian, Vietnamese, Modern Hebrew, Norwegian, Persian, Arabic (Written) | Message 143 of 181 01 July 2010 at 2:47pm | IP Logged | ||
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| irrationale Tetraglot Senior Member China Joined 5839 days ago 669 posts - 1023 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English*, Spanish, Mandarin, Tagalog Studies: Ancient Greek, Japanese | Message 144 of 181 05 July 2010 at 7:13am | IP Logged | ||
Thanks for the comments. It's all about setting a daily routine, keeping motivated, and having a system that works perfectly for you. The hardest thing is starting the train, but once it gets rolling (in my experience) about 20 or 30 days and that habit is set in your mind) it's very easy to make rapid progress. About the tones, I guess I am a third type. I have an audio lingual type approach to learning languages, which means that I end up repeating tons and tons of audio with (hopefully) immediate native correction. This instills both the grammar and the sounds through massive repetition. Thus, I ignored most grammar as well. Also, to disclose, I have perfect pitch and synesthesia and remember tones automatically, so perhaps this aspect was rather easy for me. Still, I believe the audio lingual type approach is superior to "learning about" the tones, which to me, is just a waste of time. So in the end my tones are almost perfect according to natives, but I do make the occasional slip up of course. I need to upload a sample to you can judge. Edited by irrationale on 05 July 2010 at 7:15am 1 person has voted this message useful |
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