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| RedBeard Senior Member United States atariage.com Joined 5892 days ago 126 posts - 182 votes  Speaks: Ancient Greek* Studies: French, German | Message 49 of 59 20 June 2010 at 7:38am | IP Logged | |||||
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Regarding listening speeds, the VLC Media Player lets you speed up or slow down audio on the fly. One could try setting the audio to 1.5 X speed while reading for example.
Also, come to think of it, Audacity can also speed up audio - WITHOUT that chipmunk voice effect. (I believe it is called Tempo in the menu item instead of Speed.) Just a couple ideas. 3 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5198 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 50 of 59 20 June 2010 at 8:51am | IP Logged | |||||
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Regarding the watching of anime with subtitles vs. the L-R method of reading your native language while listening to target language ...
Although I haven't tried L-R yet, I've been theorizing that these things should be quite different, even though on the face of it, it seems like it should be pretty much the same thing. With anime (or movies, shows, etc) you can ignore the spoken language totally and just read subs, thus making it not very useful. There is nothing at all forcing you to listen. With L-R however, it seems like you are FORCED to listen to the audio since that's the only way to know where you are in the text. If you ever stop listening, then you're no longer matched up between the two. Thus the person's attention is going first to the audio and secondly to the text in order to match things up, while in anime it's decidedly the other way around. With anime you're never "searching" to make sure you're in the right spot with the text, as it's always synced to the action of the story. Edited by Sandman on 20 June 2010 at 8:52am 8 persons have voted this message useful | ||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5556 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 51 of 59 21 June 2010 at 1:05am | IP Logged | |||||
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Redbeard, I tried to speed up audio with audacity. No chipmunk effect, but it still leaves too much relic so it sounds unnatural to my ears. One one hand, this makes it painful to listen to, and on the other hand I do not even accept the sound as being part of the language I am studying.
Sandman, I always try to match the sounds with the movement of the actor's faces, which means that when I watch subtitled movies or shows, I learn something - but not when I watch subtitled cartoons. (I also have difficulties watching overdubbed movies/tv shows) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| RedBeard Senior Member United States atariage.com Joined 5892 days ago 126 posts - 182 votes Speaks: Ancient Greek* Studies: French, German | Message 52 of 59 22 June 2010 at 5:52am | IP Logged | |||||
I've experienced "audio artifacts" before, but I always thought that it was because I had my setting so low. I'm kind of a cheap-skate and rarely record anything above 64 kbps. I suppose it's worth checking into. Thanks for the heads-up. 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6229 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese | Message 53 of 59 22 June 2010 at 6:22pm | IP Logged | |||||
I apologize for posting this 3 days late.
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| RedBeard Senior Member United States atariage.com Joined 5892 days ago 126 posts - 182 votes Speaks: Ancient Greek* Studies: French, German | Message 54 of 59 23 June 2010 at 5:25am | IP Logged | |||||
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It appears that you got your own words inside the quote. Like a time machine. Cool.
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| parasitius Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5788 days ago 220 posts - 323 votes Speaks: English*, Mandarin Studies: Cantonese, Polish, Spanish, French | Message 55 of 59 24 June 2010 at 3:51am | IP Logged | |||||
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Am I the only one who finds it incredibly curious and weird that so many people complain that watching foreign movies with subtitles in your own language is not useful? I find it incredibly useful, and I'm not looking to compare it with L-R here but just to say it is incredibly useful if watching a movie is what you want to spend your time doing. When I'm a novice in a language, turning on the matching subtitles only improves my ability to match audio to written. It does not increase my comprehension of meaning because often I am not advanced enough to understand the full meaning of the sentence with all its implications. When I watch with English subtitles, instead, I get: (1) the FULL meaning, with implications (assuming these have been properly translated (2) the challenge of reverse mapping the meaning to the sounds I just heard and figuring out how to build a sentence in the foreign language that would have the meaning and would be made of the sounds still lingering in my ears.
I've recently very much suspected that watching so many Chinese movies with English subtitles in the early days of my studies was the reason that ultimately Chinese learning went super smoothly, but I struggled terribly with Japanese and still haven't gotten it. (It takes work to find Japanese movies with English subs and Japanese DVDs are incredibly expensive, while Chinese movies are very much the opposite in both those respects.) 1 person has voted this message useful | ||||||
| Sandman Diglot Senior Member United States Joined 5198 days ago 168 posts - 389 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish Studies: Japanese | Message 56 of 59 24 June 2010 at 6:23am | IP Logged | |||||
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I don't know ...
I've spent a couple hundred hours probably watching anime, and it hasn't helped much, at least in terms of learning vocabulary. A few words here and there I've learned and it's always good to hear the language, but at least in terms of efficiency it's without a doubt the least effective thing I've done. It's been the most fun though :) I'm sure as my vocabulary gets better I'll see it as more effective. Right now, though, it's pretty hard to remain focused on "blah-blah-blah" speaking while there's an interesting story going on and very handy subtitles sitting right there to tell me exactly what's going on. 1 person has voted this message useful |
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