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| Ericounet Senior Member France yojik.euRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 5223 days ago 157 posts - 414 votes  Studies: English, German, Russian | Message 34 of 53 07 July 2010 at 7:22pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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hi again,
I remember another software which can play sounds slower and keeps the pitch of the sound: it's also free: playitslowly http://29a.ch/playitslowly/ try it ;) hope this help Eric! ----- 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Andy E Triglot Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6891 days ago 1651 posts - 1939 votes Speaks: English*, Spanish, French | Message 35 of 53 07 July 2010 at 8:22pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
Yes. I can see the problem... I find the same thing with Video, it's either read the transcript or watch the screen which is why I only do this with audio.
At the end of the day, transcripts are no replacement for just "hearing", they're just a stepping stone along the way.
I didn't read it that way. I was curious why it didn't work for you. One thing that is useful is pitch-corrected slow-down - if you don't want transcripts. A couple of tools have been mentioned. However, plain-old Windows Media Player also supports this. It's certainly in V11 and I think it was in V10 as well. If you right-click in the "currently playing" window, there's a sub-menu called Enhancements. On that is a menu option called "Play speed settings". Anthing from 0.5 to 2.0 is possible. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Bao Diglot Senior Member Germany tinyurl.com/pe4kqe5 Joined 5554 days ago 2256 posts - 4046 votes Speaks: German*, English Studies: French, Spanish, Japanese, Mandarin | Message 36 of 53 07 July 2010 at 10:26pm | IP Logged | ||||||||
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As has been mentioned, there are a couple of ways to make currently incomprehensible input comprehensible.
You can try to find input that is mostly comprehensible, so that the little difficult bits fall into place. (Probably good from a didactic point of view, but I personally find that horribly boring.) You can try to make any kind of difficult input more comprehensible -by adding a transcript (can be of help if you can work with it and don't rely too much on it) -by slowing it down (I would not recommend that unless you repeat the sentence several times with increasing speed until you can parse it at natural speed) -by rewinding chunks of audio until you can parse them (or are positive you don't understand it) -by pausing and writing down everything you catch, so making your own transcript (in this case, a correct transcript to compare to is very useful) -you can try to echo everything that's being said I personally see the best results with transcribing myself or echoing sentences (both until I get as much right as I think is possible at that point) You can also use massive input without any aid in the hope that sooner or later, you'll get used to it. It does help, but can be very tedious and there are many people who will get faster results with some kind of aid. 4 persons have voted this message useful | |||||||||
| s_allard Triglot Senior Member Canada Joined 5218 days ago 2704 posts - 5425 votes Speaks: French*, English, Spanish Studies: Polish | Message 37 of 53 08 July 2010 at 2:46am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Like most people here, I find transcripts very useful because they allow you to quickly make sense of the stream of audio. I'm sure many of us here have spent a lot of time just trying to decipher a word from a recording just to be able to look it up in the dictionary. Recently, I literally listened to a speech in Spanish at least 40 times and still couldn't make out some words. So I couldn't even look up the words in the dictionary. Then I got the transcript and everything became clear. Now I can listen to the speech without the transcript.
What happens when a transcript is not available? This is where a native language tutor comes in handy. This is something that we haven't talked a lot about here. I would love to have ready access to a person to whom I could ask, "What is being said here?" It seems to me that it would just make things easier and faster. I understand why some people insist on trying to figure out the meaning of words by themselves. But why make some hard for yourself? Use a transcript or a tutor wisely where available. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| Aineko Triglot Senior Member New Zealand Joined 5236 days ago 238 posts - 442 votes Speaks: Serbian*, EnglishC2, Spanish Studies: Russian, Arabic (Written), Mandarin | Message 38 of 53 08 July 2010 at 4:49am | IP Logged | ||||||||
I wasn´t doing much of the 'reading while listening' (but I have done some). What I used to do more is to read the transcript first, so I'm familiar with it and then listen to it and try to understand everything. Only if some part turns to be particularly hard (even after rewinding) I would go back to the transcript. Having a native tutor to talk to is another thing I was doing (still doing) and I totally agree that it is a great help if you want to increase your listening comprehension. 1 person has voted this message useful | |||||||||
| johntm93 Senior Member United States Joined 5115 days ago 587 posts - 746 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish | Message 39 of 53 08 July 2010 at 5:03am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Someone just posted a thread about this, it looks great
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| iamrobertyee Bilingual Triglot Groupie Philippines Joined 5082 days ago 48 posts - 54 votes Speaks: Tagalog*, Cebuano*, EnglishC2 Studies: Mandarin | Message 40 of 53 09 July 2010 at 4:35am | IP Logged | ||||||||
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Listening to radio and TV news is a great way to practice learning language. I do it daily in my Mandarin and even though I can't understand most words, with repeatedly hearing it I developed most of my vocabularies from there. Also with the help of L-lingo I'm learning fast.:) Some programs really cost a lot and they just aren’t affordable. I especially love the downloadable flashcards and textbooks that they have, not to mention they are absolutely free!
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