ibraheem Groupie United States Joined 5161 days ago 84 posts - 106 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Russian, Mandarin
| Message 1 of 30 12 July 2010 at 12:41am | IP Logged |
Would you recomd. your strategy to someone wanting to learn your target language?
Considering all the various learning materials I have used, some very obscure; the random disorganized, and disjointed learning process, I would not recommend this strategy to someone wanting to learn my target language. At the same time I don't know of any organized and straightforward efficient approach or program that would help someone to reach fluency or I would probably be fluent by now.
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Guido Super Polyglot Senior Member ArgentinaRegistered users can see my Skype Name Joined 6324 days ago 286 posts - 582 votes Speaks: Spanish*, French, English, German, Italian, Portuguese, Norwegian, Catalan, Dutch, Swedish, Danish Studies: Russian, Indonesian, Romanian, Polish, Icelandic
| Message 2 of 30 12 July 2010 at 3:52am | IP Logged |
1. Start with Assimil (plus another method if you want). At the mid of the book, start trying to read simplified text (at this step,
you won't understand everything, but the more you read, the more words you'll recognize and know).
2. After having finished Assimil, begin with some other workbooks and exercises books and watch TV in the target language, even though
you won't understand more than 20% at the beginning (do watch the news, they are the easiest to understand due to the clear speakers). And the most
important part: try to think in the language (specially in dead-times like the bathtime) and speak in every oportunity. The material
used should be more and more advanced. This step is the longest in my opinion: it starts in the third month and it takes at least 1 year (2 or 3 if
the language is very different to the ones you already speak).
Oh, yes, the more time you spend on the language, the faster you'll learn it. My recomendation: 2 or 3 hours a day for step 2.
It's simple: Assimil --> reading + exercises + TV/radio ---> think and speak (and write).
Hope it helps and have a nice day!
Guido.-
Edited by Guido on 12 July 2010 at 3:55am
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johntm93 Senior Member United States Joined 5123 days ago 587 posts - 746 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish
| Message 3 of 30 12 July 2010 at 6:11am | IP Logged |
If I wouldn't recommend it to someone, I wouldn't use it myself.
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ibraheem Groupie United States Joined 5161 days ago 84 posts - 106 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Russian, Mandarin
| Message 4 of 30 12 July 2010 at 6:38am | IP Logged |
johntm93 wrote:
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If you believe that your strategy has been efficient and easy to follow for an average person... otherwise some people might not recommend their approach to language learning and would not want to repeat the same strategy but rather try to improve on it.
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ibraheem Groupie United States Joined 5161 days ago 84 posts - 106 votes Speaks: English* Studies: German, Russian, Mandarin
| Message 5 of 30 12 July 2010 at 6:46am | IP Logged |
Guido wrote:
1. Start with Assimil (plus another method if you want). At the mid of the book, start trying to read simplified text (at this step,
you won't understand everything, but the more you read, the more words you'll recognize and know).
2. After having finished Assimil, begin with some other workbooks and exercises books and watch TV in the target language, even though
you won't understand more than 20% at the beginning (do watch the news, they are the easiest to understand due to the clear speakers). And the most
important part: try to think in the language (specially in dead-times like the bathtime) and speak in every oportunity. The material
used should be more and more advanced. This step is the longest in my opinion: it starts in the third month and it takes at least 1 year (2 or 3 if
the language is very different to the ones you already speak).
Oh, yes, the more time you spend on the language, the faster you'll learn it. My recomendation: 2 or 3 hours a day for step 2.
It's simple: Assimil --> reading + exercises + TV/radio ---> think and speak (and write).
Hope it helps and have a nice day!
Guido.- |
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Personally I could never get through any teach yourself language courses but I keep hearing about Assimil haven't got around to trying it though.
As far as step 2 it really depends on ones personal habits and the materials they use, and it seems that it should take some less than a year if they are very dedicated, others may take longer than 3 years.
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johntm93 Senior Member United States Joined 5123 days ago 587 posts - 746 votes 2 sounds Speaks: English* Studies: German, Spanish
| Message 6 of 30 12 July 2010 at 8:01am | IP Logged |
ibraheem wrote:
johntm93 wrote:
If I wouldn't recommend it to someone, I wouldn't use it myself. |
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If you believe that your strategy has been efficient and easy to follow for an average person... otherwise some people might not recommend their approach to language learning and would not want to repeat the same strategy but rather try to improve on it. |
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If you feel it's inefficient, change it. I guess you could always find a better way to learn a language after you've already learned one.
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Volte Tetraglot Senior Member Switzerland Joined 6235 days ago 4474 posts - 6726 votes Speaks: English*, Esperanto, German, Italian Studies: French, Finnish, Mandarin, Japanese
| Message 7 of 30 12 July 2010 at 4:27pm | IP Logged |
johntm93 wrote:
ibraheem wrote:
johntm93 wrote:
If I wouldn't recommend it to someone, I wouldn't use it myself. |
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If you believe that your strategy has been efficient and easy to follow for an average person... otherwise some people might not recommend their approach to language learning and would not want to repeat the same strategy but rather try to improve on it. |
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If you feel it's inefficient, change it. I guess you could always find a better way to learn a language after you've already learned one. |
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At which point, you're stuck either recommending something inefficient, or something you think is better but which is still untried (by you, at least).
It's perfectly possible to have language learning strategies you've used that you wouldn't recommend, with the benefit of hindsight - I've had plenty.
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kidshomestunner Senior Member United Kingdom Joined 6201 days ago 239 posts - 285 votes Speaks: Japanese
| Message 8 of 30 12 July 2010 at 4:45pm | IP Logged |
One advice would be to research your opponent. Know how many characters there are to learn, know what the grammar is, have a look at the sound system, chart the territory. You should then decide how well you want to learn it. For me I wanted good reading skills as I have always wanted to be a translator, thus listening was not as important for me.
You should then gather learning materials like nobody's business. Use as many as you can
You should then get a Japanese friend be it online or in real ife
You should be honest with yourself
You should believe in yourslef and in God
You should listen to music when studying
You should do study things which may seem unimportant
You should network with other linguists but
You should be independently minded
You should use milestones like 2000 kanji, this grammar boook that grammar book etc
You should take pride in what you are doing
You should learn like a parrot
You should learn in context.
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